VAR thread 2022/23

[Stephen230]

It was televised. I know because I watched it ..... And they only show when it's an overturn? Like Rashford's goal against Liverpool?

It wasn’t televised in the UK. I’m not a spokesman for the Premier League or Sky Sports. I’ve no idea if there’s an exact criteria for when they share the lines graphic. But I would have thought it’s more unlikely in non televised games and when the VAR is confirming an on field decision

 

[halfcenturyup]

It wasn’t televised in the UK. I’m not a spokesman for the Premier League or Sky Sports. I’ve no idea if there’s an exact criteria for when they share the lines graphic. But I would have thought it’s more unlikely in non televised games and when the VAR is confirming an on field decision

Fair enough, but you can see why sharing the image on which they make the decision some times and not others can lead to accusations of, at best, a lack of consistency and transparency, and at worst, of manipulation and corruption.

Just one of the many areas that they need to work on, imho.

 

[Stephen230]

Fair enough, but you can see why sharing the image on which they make the decision some times and not others can lead to accusations of, at best, a lack of consistency and transparency, and at worst, of manipulation and corruption.

Just one of the many areas that they need to work on, imho.

Of course, everyone would like more transparency. It’ll come no doubt drop by drop at a snails pace.

 

[Blue Til Death]

Yes.



Yes, that is a statistical fact



Yes, unfortunately we'll never have a system in place that will 100% get every decision correct and please everyone. We do have a system in place that allows a ref a second look, that can spot clear and obvious decisions the refs would have missed otherwise. Will always have big controversial moments when the ref and VAR both get it completely wrong - it shouldn't happen, it's frustrating, but it always will.

With just a ref and couple of lino's then the increase of wrong/farcical decisions is on a much higher scale




Yes, I've witnessed football pre and with VAR, without tech help some games were farcical and the decisions ridiculous

check this pre VAR match out that someone posted a couple weeks ago and tell me you were happier ? it was like this for a lot of games back then.



also, I would like to clarify 'bad' - for some games, refs are under severe pressure from players, fans etc. and they have to deal with cheating/diving, fractional split second decisions - It was becoming pretty impossible for refs hence the need for tech help.



They really did, completely farcical - was clearly offside and interfering

the dickhead ref was swayed by players reaction saying Rashford wasn't interfering and overruled the Lino and didn't go to VAR either - completely infuriating even for a neutral

also on the same day, Brentford getting that penalty awarded when it was Toney grabbing hold of the defender - the ref got completely played and again didn't go to VAR - there's no agenda/conspiracy here - it's just bad officiating even with VAR right there for him to have a look



Agreed they was, not having correct cameras in place - which also happened AGAINST Liverpool earlier the season at Arsenal is something they have to get right.

It proves why we need VAR as the Linos left on thereselves get it wrong

West Ham have had a few really bad ref/VAR go against us also

But it has really helped correct injustice calls which many forget -

Cresswell having a ball smash in his face was awarded a penalty by the ref (VAR overturned)
Likewise Bowen getting completly wiped out and the ref gave a goal kick (VAR overturned)

It's decisions like these which don't get a mention where it's hard to argue against VAR



Yes personally for me.

It's perfectly fine for others to have a different view (something you should learn)



Whatever I say will be met by a few permanently and desperately wanting to be outraged on a forum - I even agreed how bad that offside decision was and was still quoted by a few thinking I was saying it was the correct decision - also the recent poll that 44% on here think VAR was 'SOLELY' set up to benefit Man Utd and Liverpool is just hilarious

So once again, I bow out, there is little point trying to have a rational debate with the likes of you that just want to scream and shout corruption and get abusive. It's a waste of time.

You can tag me in the next 'controversial' incident that WILL happen. I wont bother responding on here.

Have a good one.

 

[BlueHammer85]

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Groundhog Day would be very apt for my posts on this topic lol

 

[halfcenturyup]

No VAR cock-ups since Sunday. Must be some sort of record.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Pre var wrong decions -v- post VAR is a finger in the air job.

And my definite feeling is that incorrect decisions by the referee's team were never ever as bad as they are now. I just dont remember all the headlines week in week out about totally stupid stupid calls. And the fact that they have video tech, mulitple eyes on it makes itn even worse.

VAR has opend a pandora's box of shite and I am currently of the mind that it needs to be rolled back and stop this microscopic refereeing. Go back to 1 ref making decisions, if HE needs a video to check it then HE should use it. The onus should always be on the judgement of one person, because when you have multiple people using subjective criteria you produce confusing decisions and that is what we're seeing.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Pre var wrong decions -v- post VAR is a finger in the air job.

And my definite feeling is that incorrect decisions by the referee's team were never ever as bad as they are now. I just dont remember all the headlines week in week out about totally stupid stupid calls. And the fact that they have video tech, mulitple eyes on it makes itn even worse.

VAR has opend a pandora's box of shite and I am currently of the mind that it needs to be rolled back and stop this microscopic refereeing. Go back to 1 ref making decisions, if HE needs a video to check it then HE should use it. The onus should always be on the judgement of one person, because when you have multiple people using subjective criteria you produce confusing decisions and that is what we're seeing.

Agreed. The whole idea was that VAR was a tool to help the referee not replace him. That said there is nothing you can do when corrupt tossers like Atwell overturn a decision made by an experienced linesman 15 yards away from the action. He never had any intention of checking the monitor despite the fact he was 40 yards behind play for the Rashford offside incident. VAR seems to be working well in some countries though so perhaps the problem here is we just have too many incompetent, weak, or dishonest officials.

 

[bondsman]

Ah another game another farce. Offside by a kneecap. Oh how this technology has improved the best game in the world

 

[halfcenturyup]

Ah another game another farce. Offside by a kneecap. Oh how this technology has improved the best game in the world

Howard Webb trying to keep VAR interventions to a minimum by penalising attackers to 1mm for where their limbs are in a normal running movement. And don't start about thicker lines, please.