VAR thread 2022/23

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I won't keep digging as clearly no one will agree on this

but he could easily have turned a blind eye, told the opposition player to get up, booked them both etc - would be laughable referring but that's what it was like pre VAR
Yeah I can get that slightly,but the ref had a nailed on view on this even if there had been no VAR he was bang to rights,be interesting now to see when he’s back and which team he’s up against they’ll be targeting him from the first minute,I know that’s what I’d be doing..
 
Lol. You have said according to the Laws of The Game. Quote them. I'm happy to be educated.

"DERMOT SAYS: I think the VAR should intervene. I'm not sure the referee has seen it, I think he looks down but I think he does it instinctively. I think he watches the flight of the ball. He does look down, but I think it has already happened. The VAR has the perfect look. As soon as I saw it, I said, 'I think he is going to get a red card here, he's pulled him down by the hair'. I anticipated the VAR sending Anthony Taylor to the screen. I know for a fact that if Anthony had been sent to the screen, he would have given a red card and a free-kick to Chelsea."

The oracle has spoken.
 
"DERMOT SAYS: I think the VAR should intervene. I'm not sure the referee has seen it, I think he looks down but I think he does it instinctively. I think he watches the flight of the ball. He does look down, but I think it has already happened. The VAR has the perfect look. As soon as I saw it, I said, 'I think he is going to get a red card here, he's pulled him down by the hair'. I anticipated the VAR sending Anthony Taylor to the screen. I know for a fact that if Anthony had been sent to the screen, he would have given a red card and a free-kick to Chelsea."

The oracle has spoken.
I mentioned the Martin Samuel's piece in the Mail earlier. This is one of the examples he uses to show that VAR and the officials using it are not fit for purpose.
 
"DERMOT SAYS: I think the VAR should intervene. I'm not sure the referee has seen it, I think he looks down but I think he does it instinctively. I think he watches the flight of the ball. He does look down, but I think it has already happened. The VAR has the perfect look. As soon as I saw it, I said, 'I think he is going to get a red card here, he's pulled him down by the hair'. I anticipated the VAR sending Anthony Taylor to the screen. I know for a fact that if Anthony had been sent to the screen, he would have given a red card and a free-kick to Chelsea."

The oracle has spoken.

It's a strange one.
You'd think that pulling hair deliberately would have been decreed as to punishment - either always yellow, or always red. They haven't presumably.
In that one, VAR can only send Taylor to the screen if it's recommending red. As there is no way they can have missed it, logically, VAR must have deemed it "not red".
Which in itself is pretty baffling - hold someone by the neck? red. Put bloke in headlock and pull him to the floor? you'd think red. Pull someone to the floor by the hair? Not a red.
 
Maybe the pair of you should take heed, the same two names prattling on right through the thread, arguing against people who have a different opinion than yourselves.

You act like a tag team attacking folk.

Tits indeed.
Yup, that's the reason. Bluealf knows his stuff. Blocked, so I do miss that kind of insight in the future.
 
Would you scrap VAR completely and just go back to refs/officials only ?
Most people on this thread other than you and one other seem to miss the point. VAR in its current format isn't what fans were promised and isn't being used correctly. If used correctly then it's great. First thing that needs to happen is all conversations should be heard in full as they are in rugby and cricket so that people know what is happening. Incidents also need to be put on the screens so fans know what is being looked at and so they can be kept informed. A condition of playing in the Premier must be that all clubs have at least two large screens so all fans wherever they are sat in the stadium can see clearly all replays. If that means certain clubs have to have smaller capacities to accommodate then so be it and it also means that promoted clubs need to have screens for the start of the season. The offside situation where we are measuring armpit hair length is ridiculous and the technology needs to be in place to judge if someone is 1cm offside or not, currently it isn't. The game requires consistency throughout and fans, players etc all need to understand why decisions are being made. Why for instance did VAR ignore the hair pull on Cucurella or not give Brighton a penalty. No point so called pundits moaning about it for days after guessing as to why it has happened, we need answers from the people who made the original calls.
 
Everyone on here, well City fans, think Martin Samuel's is an excellent journalist.
Today he has trashed, no ridiculed VAR. He says it is not fit for purpose.


No doubt a blue and another poster will be along to tell us why he is wrong. After all they spend half their day telling City fans they are.
Been saying it isn't fit for purpose since day one, although Martin Samuels probably put it better that I could.

Its biggest flaw is that certain most decisions are open to interpretation and because the process is not transparent it could be open to influence from TV companies and others linked in to the Stockley Park feed. This leaves it WIDE OPEN to corruption.
 
I don't know whether that post is for @bluealf or against. I would say he knows his football and he knows, like Martin Samuel, that var is not fit for purpose.
(Who have you blocked ?)
Nah, it's because I called him out for saying Jesus is only playing well for Arsenal because he isn't facing packed defences.

Fuckup er Farouq I mean and his 18 posts knows best, he also seems to have forgotten the 95 goals he did manage to score for City against presumably packed defences.

The silly pillock and I don't mean Jesus.
 
I don't know whether that post is for @bluealf or against. I would say he knows his football and he knows, like Martin Samuel, that var is not fit for purpose.
(Who have you blocked ?)
Ah I see why you added me, what a strange response to a post by him, I thought it was the Gabby Jesus one and not the reply to bill and Ben the var men, what a weird guy.
 
Most people on this thread other than you and one other seem to miss the point. VAR in its current format isn't what fans were promised and isn't being used correctly. If used correctly then it's great. First thing that needs to happen is all conversations should be heard in full as they are in rugby and cricket so that people know what is happening. Incidents also need to be put on the screens so fans know what is being looked at and so they can be kept informed. A condition of playing in the Premier must be that all clubs have at least two large screens so all fans wherever they are sat in the stadium can see clearly all replays. If that means certain clubs have to have smaller capacities to accommodate then so be it and it also means that promoted clubs need to have screens for the start of the season. The offside situation where we are measuring armpit hair length is ridiculous and the technology needs to be in place to judge if someone is 1cm offside or not, currently it isn't. The game requires consistency throughout and fans, players etc all need to understand why decisions are being made. Why for instance did VAR ignore the hair pull on Cucurella or not give Brighton a penalty. No point so called pundits moaning about it for days after guessing as to why it has happened, we need answers from the people who made the original calls.

It's coming


just need to be patient, these things are massive and they have to get it right.

VAR has shown it has many flaws but also there is alot of positives to VAR which doesn't get mentioned

It will always adapt and improve but will never be perfect and there will always be incidences out of hundreds of games where they simply get it wrong.

 
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It's coming


just need to be patient, these things are massive and they have to get it right.

VAR has shown it has many flaws but also there is alot of positives to VAR which doesn't get mentioned

It will always adapt and improve but will never be perfect and there will always be incidences out of hundreds of games where they simply get it wrong.
Unfortunately it seems to be referencing doing post match listen ins rather than the rugby style open coms but baby steps i guess...
 
Unfortunately it seems to be referencing doing post match listen ins rather than the rugby style open coms but baby steps i guess...

Note to self: buy some forensic audio editing software to see how they manipulate these things.
 
It's coming


just need to be patient, these things are massive and they have to get it right.

VAR has shown it has many flaws but also there is alot of positives to VAR which doesn't get mentioned

It will always adapt and improve but will never be perfect and there will always be incidences out of hundreds of games where they simply get it wrong.
Wrong again. They are talking about releasing parts of the conversations after the game. When VAR was first introduced into the sport the idiots in charge should have looked at how rugby and cricket use it and how it's evolved over the years to its present format. Neither sport had it right at first but quickly changed for the better but they were, I believe, the first team sports to use a form of VAR in the UK. Others should be able to see what works and what doesn't and how it should be used before it is used in their sport, football quite obviously hasn't no matter how many times you say it has. Explain to me how VAR got it so badly wrong with the Brighton penalty and the Cucurella hair pull. Do not tell me how they correctly disallowed a goal that the liner hadn't flagged for as that is what it is there for. Answer those two specific points and don't waffle on.
 
I do think that cricket is a poor comparison as everything about TMO review except for low catches is computerised (tracking, noise of an edge, pitch). It's all factual and with little opinion. Even then, the (brilliant) decision to announce if a ball is legal (i.e. not a front foot no-ball) before going to the images is quite a recent introduction.

The bigger issue with VAR here is why it seems to be okay everywhere else in Europe and at international level. I don't know the details of how it is different.

I completely agree that there should be more info on the stadium screen in football.
 
Explain to me how VAR got it so badly wrong with the Brighton penalty and the Cucurella hair pull. Do not tell me how they correctly disallowed a goal that the liner hadn't flagged for as that is what it is there for. Answer those two specific points and don't waffle on.

I'm not here to defend VAR no matter what, I've said many times there will always be incidences where they simply get it wrong - I think that will always be the case, in fact, it will always be the case.

If I had to guess, I'd say VAR looked at that and saw Welbeck going away from goal and collision not enough to warrant a penalty if the Ref didn't think it was either.... - for me, its a pen

Cucurella hair pull - not seen it, but this has been explained :

VAR cannot advise that a referee has missed a general free-kick offence in open play that doesn't lead directly to a goal or penalty. If the referee misses a foul in the lead-up to a corner, the VAR cannot tell the referee to cancel that set piece. If the team then scores from that corner, the goal cannot be disallowed. The only way the VAR can get involved in this situation is if they feel there has been a red-card offence.

Hair pulling is rare, and isn't specifically covered within the Laws of the Game so comes under either violent conduct or unsporting behaviour, depending on the specifics, though the mere act isn't an automatic dismissal. But when off the ball and with force it would be considered by most referees to be a red card.


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My turn,

can you explain to me why this wasn't a penalty ?

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"DERMOT SAYS: I think the VAR should intervene. I'm not sure the referee has seen it, I think he looks down but I think he does it instinctively. I think he watches the flight of the ball. He does look down, but I think it has already happened. The VAR has the perfect look. As soon as I saw it, I said, 'I think he is going to get a red card here, he's pulled him down by the hair'. I anticipated the VAR sending Anthony Taylor to the screen. I know for a fact that if Anthony had been sent to the screen, he would have given a red card and a free-kick to Chelsea."

The oracle has spoken.

he says that but when Carragher did the same thing to Musampa years back he only got a yellow card and no retrospective action taken.
 
I'm not here to defend VAR no matter what, I've said many times there will always be incidences where they simply get it wrong - I think that will always be the case, in fact, it will always be the case.

If I had to guess, I'd say VAR looked at that and saw Welbeck going away from goal and collision not enough to warrant a penalty if the Ref didn't think it was either.... - for me, its a pen

Cucurella hair pull - not seen it, but this has been explained :

VAR cannot advise that a referee has missed a general free-kick offence in open play that doesn't lead directly to a goal or penalty. If the referee misses a foul in the lead-up to a corner, the VAR cannot tell the referee to cancel that set piece. If the team then scores from that corner, the goal cannot be disallowed. The only way the VAR can get involved in this situation is if they feel there has been a red-card offence.

Hair pulling is rare, and isn't specifically covered within the Laws of the Game so comes under either violent conduct or unsporting behaviour, depending on the specifics, though the mere act isn't an automatic dismissal. But when off the ball and with force it would be considered by most referees to be a red card.


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My turn,

can you explain to me why this wasn't a penalty ?

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The point of VAR was to minimise incorrect decisions and it just doesn't do that. It doesn't matter which direction Wellshit was going in, it was a penalty all day long and for the ref and VAR to both think otherwise says a lot. A few days later (can't remember which game) an innocuous shove was immediately blown up as a foul. As for the Cucurella incident VAR can intervene for violent conduct if not seen by the ref which this would fall under. Again how anyone can say what was done wasn't beggars belief. It was a red card offence and instead of a corner from which Spurs scored, Chelsea should have had a free kick and Spurs a red card. As for your picture above it's the first I have seen of it so would like to see the actual highlights in real time but looking at the picture I would say penalty. Presumably that's Norwich so a Championship game where VAR isn't used so maybe that's one of those 'incidences where they simply get it wrong'. My point is, even with VAR obvious penalties still are being missed which they shouldn't be. As it currently stands VAR needs a total overhaul and the clowns using it should be replaced with people who know how the to use it properly. It is being manipulated no doubt whatsoever.

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Just seen the Norwich incident, this picture tells a different story

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