Surely you are allowed to guess, No? then you had best stay as an engineer as you would be no good as a VAR chap.
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VAR thread 2022/23
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I believe the tolerance is 5cm, with the benefit given to the attacker.What is the defined tolerance for offside now and how is it measured.
I am an engineer and on a drawing I would add a tolerance say for a linear dimension. So 300cm +\0-.5cm means that when the inspector measures the manufactured part it has to be 300cm long however the tolerance means it can be anywhere between 295.5cm to 300.5cm and not .01 of a cm more or less than the tolerance dimensions.
The reason I am boring the tits off my avid readers is to clarify that a tolerance has to have a number and it is either in tolerance or it is a fail.
When St Marcus was ”within tolerance” how was that measured?
What is the tolerance as to what is allowed?
Unless I see a measurement for what the tolerance is then I think we are being taken for cunts by PGMOL as it is open to being subject to the VAR opinion and nothing specific other than shirt colour or shade of red.
Hayley Croppers chopper
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Then how is that measured?I believe the tolerance is 5cm, with the benefit given to the attacker.
Is it from the toenail, is it from only parts that can score, is it from the arm? Where is the 5cm rule written.
I would like to see the definition written down so it can be viewed objectively.
richardtheref
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You get sent the FA interpretations which basically outline how FIFA expect you to ref any game. You certainly could get them on line in the past. The problem is your elite refs then get sent the PL interpretations which sometimes differ to the FIFA laws. Recent ones I can think of is the handball law and off side. Why do the PL think they are above the actual laws is a mystery?Oh right. Thanks for that. Do you have any idea why the secrecy? I would have thought it was in the referees' interests for Joe Public to be able to understand why they make their decisions.
which are pretty
And why the opposition to mic'ing up the refs?
I can't imagine any downside (other than with a tin hat on) and it may even show that referees know what they are doing. Imagine that :)
It's the same as it's been for ages - from the part of the player that you can score from, nearest the goal. So, yes a toenail, the upper arm (anywhere which wouldn't be handball), the nose, the knee.Then how is that measured?
Is it from the toenail, is it from only parts that can score, is it from the arm? Where is the 5cm rule written.
I would like to see the definition written down so it can be viewed objectively.
The two lines are drawn as normal, and if they're within 5 cms, then it's still onside. The TV then show just one thicker green line.
Hayley Croppers chopper
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Thanks BluenovaIt's the same as it's been for ages - from the part of the player that you can score from, nearest the goal. So, yes a toenail, the upper arm (anywhere which wouldn't be handball), the nose, the knee.
The two lines are drawn as normal, and if they're within 5 cms, then it's still onside. The TV then show just one thicker green line.
Just to clarify - the two lines, for defender and attacker are 5cm wide, and it's onside if they touch - which means the attacker can be up to 5cm "off" in the VAR pictures and still be considered onside.Thanks Bluenova
Trevor Morley's Tache
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If we consider that the top players are more than capable of sprinting at >20mph (8.94m/s), and the frame rate of VAR is 50fps then 1 single frame difference at 20mph is a huge margin of error (17.9cm), and that 5cm margin pales into insignificance.I believe the tolerance is 5cm, with the benefit given to the attacker.
Even running at 10mph (4.47m/s) the 50fps camera gives a single-frame margin of error of nearly 9cm, so for them to spout a 'tolerance' is laughable.
True - but it's a compromise. I believe the clubs had to agree on it, and they're not all going to be as clued up, or even may not want something that can look more controversial, even if it's correct (or depending on how they play, the cynic might suggest some don't want to give attackers more advantage).If we consider that the top players are more than capable of sprinting at >20mph (8.94m/s), and the frame rate of VAR is 50fps then 1 single frame difference at 20mph is a huge margin of error (17.9cm), and that 5cm margin pales into insignificance.
Even running at 10mph (4.47m/s) the 50fps camera gives a single-frame margin of error of nearly 9cm, so for them to spout a 'tolerance' is laughable.
Ultimately, it's always going to be more accurate than an assistant with a flag, and will improve as technology improves.
What if its Harry Maguire ? Is it measured in minutes ? Hours ? Days ?If we consider that the top players are more than capable of sprinting at >20mph (8.94m/s), and the frame rate of VAR is 50fps then 1 single frame difference at 20mph is a huge margin of error (17.9cm), and that 5cm margin pales into insignificance.
Even running at 10mph (4.47m/s) the 50fps camera gives a single-frame margin of error of nearly 9cm, so for them to spout a 'tolerance' is laughable.
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