VAR thread 2022/23

[kaz7]

wouldn't make any difference to my opinion whether i did or didn't.

You are here repeating for the hundreth time we shouldnt be upset with the system when you never watch our games to see what we are upset about , pure trolling

 

[BlueHammer85]

You are here repeating for the hundreth time we shouldnt be upset with the system when you never watch our games to see what we are upset about , pure trolling

Not at all, just giving my opinion on why i'd keep VAR and not bin it completly

I want it to be improved like everyone else and happy to hear ways it can be, It's far from perfect and it's a shambles at times - like City decisions other night and a couple to West Ham this season

If that's trolling in your view then so be it but maybe a Mod can decide on that rather than a poster who continually derails threads, is abusive and is always having spats with other posters on loads of different topics.

 

[kaz7]

Not at all, just giving my opinion on why i'd keep VAR and not bin it completly

I want it to be improved like everyone else and happy to hear ways it can be, It's far from perfect and it's a shambles at times - like City decisions other night and a couple to West Ham this season

If that's trolling in your view then so be it but maybe a Mod can decide on that rather than a poster who continually derails threads, is abusive and is always having spats with other posters on loads of different topics.

Prove that last bit, albeit you are derailing this thread...

Try watching some games before you tell us what to be upset about

 

[Nethermoor]

I feel like Var should have a statute of limitations. So if a goal is scored, only 3/4 seconds before is looked at. So directly affecting the goal. Like Mahrez handball vs Kobenhavn or the other week vs Rags where they went about 20 seconds back to see if the ball was out of play is stupid.

And even then, it should be like the Video Ref in Egg chasing. Where the ref decides to look at the goal or not. I prefer this way.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I feel like Var should have a statute of limitations. So if a goal is scored, only 3/4 seconds before is looked at. So directly affecting the goal. Like Mahrez handball vs Kobenhavn or the other week vs Rags where they went about 20 seconds back to see if the ball was out of play is stupid.

And even then, it should be like the Video Ref in Egg chasing. Where the ref decides to look at the goal or not. I prefer this way.

The issue with that is if there’s a blatant offside etc. missed 5-6 seconds before the goal was scored.

The biggest issues we have are the subjective decisions and how the laws are interpreted.

They need simplifying and all refs need to go on a course to maximise uniformity of decisions.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Varxit means Varxit!

Varshit?

 

[its grim up north]

There was a one a couple if weeks ago. The winger was offside, but the lino didnt flag. He crossed the ball and a defender headed it out for corner. If the attacking team had scored it would have been reviewed and disallowed. But what would the outcome be if they scored from the corner?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

There was a one a couple if weeks ago. The winger was offside, but the lino didnt flag. He crossed the ball and a defender headed it out for corner. If the attacking team had scored it would have been reviewed and disallowed. But what would the outcome be if they scored from the corner?

A goal.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Varshit?

Var'kinbinit!

 

[inchy14]

The difference between rugby league ( I don’t know about Union ) is the game and the clock is always stopped and the referee asks for the video ref’s input. The video ref knows he is being heard and he carefully explains his thought process. In football the VAR can chirp up in the referees ear whenever he likes. Along with the two linesman and the fourth official. The four of them will be chatting away to each other constantly the whole game. I really don’t think it would be the enlightening experience some people are anticipating.

Anyway, you are likely to shortly ( kind of ) get your wish and we can all see for ourselves. Howard Webb is currently overseeing a trial in America where the conversation involving the VAR is being released after the games have finished. When he returns to England it’s expected he will use his findings and trial something similar here.

I don’t want to hear once the games finished, again it’s easy to manipulate the audio. What’s the issue with them letting us hear it in real time? Seriously what can they possibly be trying to hide being said, there should be nothing surely.

 

[ancoats]

For the good of the kick it out campaign (Report Racism In Football) it's got to be published if he did or did not make a Racist remark, we all seen other players from both teams act like it was a Racist remark and the referee reported the 4th officials to note the incident

so if this is being hushed up by the media and the Premier League because it's a Liverpool and England player
then it's a sad day for all involved with the kick it out campaign for letting this happen if true

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Var'kinbinit!

Germans used to have some **** playing for them they called Der Kaiser - guy by the name of FeckinVar!

 

[Stephen230]

I don’t want to hear once the games finished, again it’s easy to manipulate the audio. What’s the issue with them letting us hear it in real time? Seriously what can they possibly be trying to hide being said, there should be nothing surely.

You really want to listen to a five way constant conversation between the officials while you’re watching a game?

 

[mat]

You really want to listen to a five way constant conversation between the officials while you’re watching a game?

Play will have stopped. We can all hear what they are talking about. Would save that doubt it's being manipulated if we could hear real time what's being said. For all we know at the moment is something happens and the match commander says "Fuck it. It's City. No penalty" and that has happened if you believe Mark Halsey.

 

[stonerblue]

tedious is having a tantrum and screaming ‘’it’s killed football’’ whenever you have a bad decision

Noted.

 

[malg]

For the good of the kick it out campaign (Report Racism In Football) it's got to be published if he did or did not make a Racist remark, we all seen other players from both teams act like it was a Racist remark and the referee reported the 4th officials to note the incident

so if this is being hushed up by the media and the Premier League because it's a Liverpool and England player
then it's a sad day for all involved with the kick it out campaign for letting this happen if true

I didn't see from the other player's reactions that it was a racist comment. That's just nonsense. It will be interesting to see what they believe has been said.

 

[stonerblue]

Soooooooo the referee on the pitch saw nothing wrong in the build up to Rodri's goal. The referee in the Var cupboard did.

The handball rules were last changed in 2021. Uefa stated that if a person accidentally commits handball and then scores, it should be ruled out. If however there is an accidental handball by another player in the build up, the goal should stand.
No one, apart from the Var official, would ever say the Mahrez (very slight) touch was deliberate.
This shows why Var is wrong in every shape and form. The Var official was wrong but also able to persuade (force) the on field referee to also make a huge mistake. Var was meant to eliminate errors but when you have officials who are simply not good enough, but have huge power to influence the game, the errors will simply continue.
Those that defend Var often quote the Milner 2 yards offside farce as a reason why it should stay. That one absolutely farcical mistake should not mean football fans have to accept regular stupid decisions, week in, week out.

Great post

 

[BlueHammer85]

Play will have stopped. We can all hear what they are talking about. Would save that doubt it's being manipulated if we could hear real time what's being said. For all we know at the moment is something happens and the match commander says "Fuck it. It's City. No penalty" and that has happened if you believe Mark Halsey.

How will you hear it in the stadium ?

 

[stonerblue]

Not sure i should waste my time responding to you but here i go - Nope, I didn't see it - only responded to being tagged in, fully accept VAR and the officials made another shambles of it, no surprise and it will be far from the last time and it's happened a good few times this season for and against West Ham

All I argue is I believe Refs should have some form of tech help to have a second look if he is unsure or has missed something blatant - that is all. hardly a crime to want that is it? equally it's fine for anyone to dislike VAR, There's many aspects of it i don't like

Implementing it isn't so easy, as we're seeing.

we could completely scrap it and go back to how it was, yet the first blatant no contact dive by Salah against City or a player a foot or two well offside against you and it will be pages and pages of corruption and outrage, so I firmly believe going back to square 1 isn't the way to go

Ideally the discussion on here should just be questioning and working on progress in getting decisions better - rather than emotional outrage and abuse being hurled about - but for many, where's the fun in that.

Fucking Salah again..
Mate it's shit. Even what you say you want from var isn't happening.
Stopping a free flowing game, something we were assured wouldn't happen, two minutes after a goal because a hand brushed the ball several touches by different players before a 20yard screamer goes in does not make anything any better anywhere.
Sometimes things happen in football that are shit, and trying to eradicate that from the game, and life, is futile.
Fucking the game with var in an effort to placate people who can't handle a set back or defeat is a nonsense.

 

[mat]

How will you hear it in the stadium ?

Doesn't seem to be an issue in NFL.