VAR thread 2022/23

[blue by birth]

Are you asking Hammer to 'go to VAR' ?

Pmsl..yeah..but you know he loves it

 

[BlueHammer85]

Pmsl..yeah..but you know he loves it

Deffo clips his foot - enough for a delayed over the top reaction from Mahrez to go down like that though? Can see why it wasn’t given. But had the ref referred that to VAR then I reckon it would have.

 

[Silva2021]

Slightly different point and I know not as per the rules, but…

The longer we play after an incident the less likely I feel it will be given, I know the rule is they should look as play continues.

I would like at some point if we felt it was that clear cut that we kick the ball out deliberately, to get the game halted and it looked into ASAP.

I know this is not the spirit of it, but I do feel it would certainly add pressure to have something looked into.

 

[Blue Mist]

It felt like it took forever, sitting there in the cold but I’ve read it was less than six minutes. Still annoying. I suspect if they’d somehow known from the outset it was going to take that long, they’d have probably sacked it off and carried on without it. But these things normally take less than a minute, so I suppose once the guy has started fiddling around, you’ve got to stick with it until he’s done. He seemed quite pleased with his work, waving away to the crowd afterwards.

It made it worse that Everton were constantly playing dead and disrupting the flow of the game so this just added to it. As you say, I presume they thought it was a quick fix but common sense went out the window when it wasn't. As 11 minutes were added on I reckon it was far longer than 6 minutes.
Why do they need to talk to each other anyway ?

 

[SebastianBlue]

It made it worse that Everton were constantly playing dead and disrupting the flow of the game so this just added to it. As you say, I presume they thought it was a quick fix but common sense went out the window when it wasn't. As 11 minutes were added on I reckon it was far longer than 6 minutes.
Why do they need to talk to each other anyway ?

To reduce the amount of time the officials waste during the match…

 

[Blue Mist]

Ah, but comms is available and refs need to be at the cutting edge of technology. I just wonder why during the seemingly interminable recess we didn't get a single word on the screen at to what was happening. At one point I thought the flunky was looking for the lino's tits. I sit diammetrically opposite but in CBL3 so it was a long way away and an easy mistake to make. Wasn't Bolton's finest, Mason, in the VAR shed? Might explain every detail.

Why should they communicate with the paying public ?

 

[blue by birth]

Deffo clips his foot - enough for a delayed over the top reaction from Mahrez to go down like that though? Can see why it wasn’t given. But had the ref referred that to VAR then I reckon it would have.

But isn't Var meant to pick up on these things?
It's an obvious error that the ref missed or was it missed or just ignored...
Mason on Var must have seen it and if he doesn't think that's a mistake by the ref in not awarding it then Var isn't worthwhile.
Honest question..
If Mahrez was either a rag or dipper player under the same circumstances do you think it would have been a penalty?

 

[BlueHammer85]

But isn't Var meant to pick up on these things?
It's an obvious error that the ref missed or was it missed or just ignored...
Mason on Var must have seen it and if he doesn't think that's a mistake by the ref in not awarding it then Var isn't worthwhile.
Honest question..
If Mahrez was either a rag or dipper player under the same circumstances do you think it would have been a penalty?

If it was 100% clear then VAR intervene - they will have assumed the ref saw it and deemed not enough to warrant a penalty so they don’t intervene.

Second point - not so sure, rags and dippers continually moan about refs decisions going against them, like any clubs fans

 

[Stephen230]

It made it worse that Everton were constantly playing dead and disrupting the flow of the game so this just added to it. As you say, I presume they thought it was a quick fix but common sense went out the window when it wasn't. As 11 minutes were added on I reckon it was far longer than 6 minutes.
Why do they need to talk to each other anyway ?

I said to the guy next to me during one of their many physio stops and I’ve probably said it on here before, that I think it’s time they experimented with allowing the physio to come on while play goes on. They’d have to be some exceptions. Serious looking injuries. You can normally tell them straight away. Maybe they’re not allowed in the penalty area? But that way players can roll around and play dead for 10 minutes at a time if they like while play goes on.

 

[blue by birth]

If it was 100% clear then VAR intervene - they will have assumed the ref saw it and deemed not enough to warrant a penalty so they don’t intervene.

Second point - not so sure, rags and dippers continually moan about refs decisions going against them, like any clubs fans

Do you think there was contact..yes or no.
If the ref had seen it then it had to be a penalty..I'm sure you agree on that.
So if the ref doesn't give it then in my opinion it's a clear error and Var should intervene.
If Var isn't going to pick up on things like that then it's not fit for purpose...I would happily go back to football without Var.
Var picks up on things like a possible foul 20 yards from goal and then uses that to over rule a goal but misses when someone has their foot stood on in the penalty area..it's a farce

 

[deano ou812]

I’ll put this in here,why was the whole delay over the linesman and the mic or whatever not sorted sooner do they not have back up kits for this if it occurs instead of faffing around taking just over 6 mins to sort,and what happens if they can’t fix it or have a back up on hand ..

 

[BlueHammer85]

Do you think there was contact..yes or no.
If the ref had seen it then it had to be a penalty..I'm sure you agree on that.
So if the ref doesn't give it then in my opinion it's a clear error and Var should intervene.
If Var isn't going to pick up on things like that then it's not fit for purpose...I would happily go back to football without Var.
Var picks up on things like a possible foul 20 yards from goal and then uses that to over rule a goal but misses when someone has their foot stood on in the penalty area..it's a farce

There was contact, enough to 100% give a penalty ? I feel there is a delayed reaction also from Mahrez - but on replay you do seem them given , as say if it was 100% I think VAR would have told the ref but nowadays when it comes to penalty decisions they want to leave it in the hands of the referee and don’t want to interfere to much

Will always be some grey areas and can point to one decision in one game and compare it to another

 

[blue by birth]

There was contact, enough to 100% give a penalty ? I feel there is a delayed reaction also from Mahrez - but on replay you do seem them given , as say if it was 100% I think VAR would have told the ref but nowadays when it comes to penalty decisions they want to leave it in the hands of the referee and don’t want to interfere to much

Will always be some grey areas and can point to one decision in one game and compare it to another

The point of Var is as I believe to assist the ref when he misses something regarding goals penalties etc...so if the ref doesn't give a clear penalty then what the fuck is it for apart from spoiling the game for match going fans..
Nobody who sits around me wants Var..
You will never agree that Var is anything but good and I am the polar opposite...
Have a good year mate..

 

[BlueHammer85]

The point of Var is as I believe to assist the ref when he misses something regarding goals penalties etc...so if the ref doesn't give a clear penalty then what the fuck is it for apart from spoiling the game for match going fans..
Nobody who sits around me wants Var..
You will never agree that Var is anything but good and I am the polar opposite...
Have a good year mate..

Mentioned loads I don’t like about VAR and the negative side to it

 

[Blue Mist]

I see the trolls come out of his cave.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

Brighton v Arsenal.
Ref gives a goal to make it 2-3. VAR "guesses" a foot was offside and takes responsibility away from the on-field refereeing team (who have seen nothing wrong) and disallows the goal. On-field ref has no say in the decision-making process.

City v Everton.
Ref waves play on as an attacker is felled during a coming together of players in the area, which presumably indicates that he has seen nothing wrong during the incident. We are told that VAR looks and TV audiences are shown at least some of the views that VAR sees. The evidence shown appears to CLEARLY shows that the cause of the attacker hitting the grass is his foot being stood on. VAR decides it's not a penalty.

Who do they tell us referees the match? But who's actually leading the majority of the BIG decision-making processes? We're told that it's the guy in the little black uniform who (sometimes) runs about on the pitch.

Is it?

Where does the real control lie?

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

I see the trolls come out of his cave.

I don't, I've blocked him ;)

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Anyone think there isn't 100% chance that Mahrez foul is given if it was Salah at Klanfield?

Have no doubt, Mason and the PL/PiGMOL fucked us over yesterday.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Why should they communicate with the paying public ?

Bit of a clue here, bm. If I pay good money to watch a match and the match stops for a reason that is clearly not apparent then we're entitled to know what's going on! I thought at one point they were looking for a potential penalty to award us.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Brighton v Arsenal.
Ref gives a goal to make it 2-3. VAR "guesses" a foot was offside and takes responsibility away from the on-field refereeing team (who have seen nothing wrong) and disallows the goal. On-field ref has no say in the decision-making process.

City v Everton.
Ref waves play on as an attacker is felled during a coming together of players in the area, which presumably indicates that he has seen nothing wrong during the incident. We are told that VAR looks and TV audiences are shown at least some of the views that VAR sees. The evidence shown appears to CLEARLY shows that the cause of the attacker hitting the grass is his foot being stood on. VAR decides it's not a penalty.

Who do they tell us referees the match? But who's actually leading the majority of the BIG decision-making processes? We're told that it's the guy in the little black uniform who (sometimes) runs about on the pitch.

Is it?

Where does the real control lie?

Fuck knows! We've been fed so much shite about how VAR works that lasts about a week and there is a rapid revision of the explanation of how VAR works when 'illuminating' a decision this weekend that will raise the question as to why VAR wasn't involved last or next weekend for similar incidents. I think PiGMOL want to operate a system that is probably more technologically based than 'smoke 'n mirrors'!