VAR thread 2022/23

[The Future’s Blue!]

Anyone remember the game where we lost 4-3 there? It was the first season of VAR and decisions were taking absolutely ages to be made at every match. The day before, a marginal offside decision at Spurs had taken over 4 minutes to be made. Salah scored for them with an equally marginal offside and it had apparently been checked and awarded before he'd even finished running off to celebrate. That was at that end of the ground.....

I knew I wasn’t going mad, very much remember that incident.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

There was always 2 grounds were the installation was a problem at as it would affect ground capacity.

Yet the hugely rich rugby league (sarcasm alert) ensures all grounds have screens including the grand final as it’s essential. Tough if capacity is affected.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

Without VAR they can magically give penalty’s though - just point to the spot whenever a tussle from a corner or give a penalty when Salah decides to dive - as was happening pre VAR

I accept there is technical flaws and wrong decisions which will forever happen - I’m not convinced pure corruption solely to benefit Liverpool and Man Utd exists - I’m yet to be swayed despite the odd decision that goes there way - that’s not me being a wum by the way - just feel it would have to involve dozens and dozens of officials and one of them would openly spill the beans by now. All for corruption to be closely scrutinised by fans though

I don't think there is institutionalised corruption to the benefit of certain teams either.

But I do think some officials have a certain bias towards certain teams. And that VAR gives them a further opportunity to influence results.

 

[Betterdeedthan red]

In that case why aren’t fans boycotting ? Why are attendances at record levels in the PL

When normal fans get pissed off and stop going they get replaced with upper class tourists.
Which suits the league and the clubs.
Less riff raff naughty little boys going.
And the more tourists the more bodies who go in the club shops and buy the over priced kits

 

[SebastianBlue]

Without VAR they can magically give penalty’s though - just point to the spot whenever a tussle from a corner or give a penalty when Salah decides to dive - as was happening pre VAR

I accept there is technical flaws and wrong decisions which will forever happen - I’m not convinced pure corruption solely to benefit Liverpool and Man Utd exists - I’m yet to be swayed despite the odd decision that goes there way - that’s not me being a wum by the way - just feel it would have to involve dozens and dozens of officials and one of them would openly spill the beans by now. All for corruption to be closely scrutinised by fans though

There have been officials that have either hinted at or outright said there is match manipulation (and at least one who said match fixing, full stop) in the premier league. But, shortly after doing so, they almost always go very quiet. Some retract their statements and others are shuffled off to far flung roles where they are out of the public eye whilst the controversy blows over.

The FA, League, and PGMOL have quite a lot of legal and financial power. It’s a similar power wielded by UEFA and FIFA, two organisation known the world over for saintly and virtuous operations.

There are many instances of corruption taking decades to expose, for the simple reason that people can be kept silent through coercion, threat, and brute force.

It is very telling that every time a highly suspect, controversial incident like the one last night where the referee told linesmen to raise his flag (knowing that the potential offside occurred in one of the blindsides of the stadium so VAR would not be able to overrule the decision), there is only a cursory explanation provided and then the established media and league/FA talking heads move on as if there is nothing more to be scrutinised.

 

[lonestay]

But there getting shit results

They are, but there is only so much manipulation you can do if the team is indeed playing badly without it becoming obvious . The scum have had bad seasons in fact it looked like the prem had given up on the scum after they had manipulated them into fourth spot a season or two ago and the scum didn't improve afterwards . But of course they along with dippers will always be given little helping hand as and when they need it from the Prem, gotta keep the "product" sustainable to sell to oversea TV stations .

 

[BlueHammer85]

There have been officials that have either hinted at or outright said there is match manipulation (and at least one who said match fixing, full stop) in the premier league. But, shortly after doing so, they almost always go very quiet. Some retract their statements and others are shuffled off to far flung roles where they are out of the public eye whilst the controversy blows over.

The FA, League, and PGMOL have quite a lot of legal and financial power. It’s a similar power wielded but UEFA and FIFA, two organisation known the world over for saintly and virtuous operations.

There are many instances of corruption taking decades to expose, for the simple reason that people can be kept silent through coercion, threat, and brute force.

It is very telling that every time a highly suspect, controversial incident like the one last night where the referee told linesmen to raise his flag (knowing that the potential offside occurred in one of the blindsides of the stadium so VAR would not be able to overrule the decision), there is only a cursory explanation provided and then the established media and league/FA talking heads move on as if there is nothing more to be scrutinised.

I don’t deny it has happened in the past and there’s examples of match fixing around the world all the time

I would really love to be swayed officials and the FA all club together and think of ways to benefit only Liverpool and Man Utd and no one else - they’ve made a huge mistake with VAR as since the introduction both sides haven’t won much at all and Man City have dominated - they need to scrap VAR and go back to simply pointing to the spot/flagging whenever they can benefit them two clubs - if that is the sole purpose of the PL corruption

 

[Grassland Blue]

Courtesy of Tom Richie aka City 'Til I Cry.
RIP Tom.

I didn't know who started it. Full credit where it's due.
R.I.P. Fella

 

[BlueHammer85]

He gets upset when Blues call him a troll and a spammer.
He came on here last night and started. I went to bed. I got up this morning and had to skip 10 or so pages because he was still on. Did he go to bed ?

I was having good debates and seeing and accepting many arguments - it was nice to have posters not spewing bollox at me and calling me a wum and instead in engaging adult debate - you should learn from majority on here

 

[johnnytapia]

Football was fine before var.
In the ground its an absolute joke .
You can't celebrate a goal.
You don't have a clue why the game has been stopped.
But then the fa don't give a fuck about fans that go to the games only what's good for tv

That’s it, in a nutshell.

 

[give it to gordon]

Yet again the technology worked a treat in the recent World Cup as it did in the Euros and WC in Russia. Yet again the Premier League and English FA allow PGMOL do their own thing because "we know better".

One point about the world cup VAR. The use of VAR was in new stadiums. In the premier league VAR is use in at least two stadiums ( dippers and rags ) where their grounds are not up to premier spec.

This makes any games played there a farce and ruins the integrity of the league or cup ( integrity of the fa cup is a farce involving VAR in some games and not others )

Unfortunately for football fans, the two clubs will piss poor statiums are the press/media favourites. So nothing is said about their statiums.

In other levels of the football if your ground isnt up to spec you cant be promoted. The higher up you go the worst the rules are applied.

In the so called best league in the world, you have two out of date statiums. Along with some being used for rugby.

For the best league in the world why arent the stadiums/pitches ? As fans we are being ripped off with high tickets, poor ko dates and times, and poor statiums and pitches.

VAR is clearly being used to fix games.

Salah goal 100% off side as the interpretation was changed after Silva's goal. No excuse. I cant believe the ref and VAR went against the interpretation.
I have no idea where the off side is for wolves 3rd goal.

 

[stonerblue]

So why haven’t Liverpool had a penalty this season ?

Outside the box

 

[SebastianBlue]

I don’t deny it has happened in the past and there’s examples of match fixing around the world all the time

I would really love to be swayed officials and the FA all club together and think of ways to benefit only Liverpool and Man Utd and no one else - they’ve made a huge mistake with VAR as since the introduction both sides haven’t won much at all and Man City have dominated - they need to scrap VAR and go back to simply pointing to the spot/flagging whenever they can benefit them two clubs - if that is the sole purpose of the PL corruption

You’re building a strawman argument, which is unnecessary. I’ve never argued the sole purpose of PL corruption is to benefit Liverpool and United.

I have, however, argued that the league and FA are incentivised to “protect the product”. And I am very confident in my argument because the league and FA have said the exact same thing themselves, over and over again.

And their “product” is at risk if one team dominates the competition. Thus, they will act to curtail the dominant teams success whilst aiding other teams with plausible ability to challenge that team.

Whether it is United or Liverpool or Chelsea or Tottenham or Arsenal… or Leicester City, they’ll do what they can to “protect the product”.

If you don’t agree with me or think I am a conspiracy nut, just go ask the PL execs about whether they want City to dominant the league for years to come.

And, if they don’t (they don’t), how would they go about stopping us from doing it?

 

[ancoats]

I don't think there is institutionalised corruption to the benefit of certain teams either.

But I do think some officials have a certain bias towards certain teams. And that VAR gives them a further opportunity to influence results.

and that my friend is the rub ?

some officials have a certain bias towards certain teams

you can give gift's to buy that Bias ? nice watch, holiday, homes, cars, the list goes on and on

 

[Stephen230]

One point about the world cup VAR. The use of VAR was in new stadiums. In the premier league VAR is use in at least two stadiums ( dippers and rags ) where their grounds are not up to premier spec.

This makes any games played there a farce and ruins the integrity of the league or cup ( integrity of the fa cup is a farce involving VAR in some games and not others )

Unfortunately for football fans, the two clubs will piss poor statiums are the press/media favourites. So nothing is said about their statiums.

In other levels of the football if your ground isnt up to spec you cant be promoted. The higher up you go the worst the rules are applied.

In the so called best league in the world, you have two out of date statiums. Along with some being used for rugby.

For the best league in the world why arent the stadiums/pitches ? As fans we are being ripped off with high tickets, poor ko dates and times, and poor statiums and pitches.

VAR is clearly being used to fix games.

Salah goal 100% off side as the interpretation was changed after Silva's goal. No excuse. I cant believe the ref and VAR went against the interpretation.
I have no idea where the off side is for wolves 3rd goal.

It quite clearly isn’t 100% off side though. It is in fact right on the edge of the official description of what is and what isn’t classed as a “deliberate play” of the ball. The VAR is never going to over rule such a subjective decision. I believe he should have referred it back to the referee to make that decision though.

 

[BlueHammer85]

and that my friend is the rub ?


you can give gift's to buy that Bias ? nice watch, holiday, homes, cars, the list goes on and on

The ‘certain’ teams though are Liverpool and Man Utd - think they need to up there gifts and manipulate results a lot better - both sides been shite since VAR and they’ve allowed there biggest rivals Man City to dominate

 

[Blue Mist]

I didn't know who started it. Full credit where it's due.
R.I.P. Fella

I always ensure it is known who started it after the rags stole the phrase, changed it to Hate Glazers Love Rag Fuckwits and claimed it as their own. Tom even had badges made with it on. To me it sums up everything I feel about football, Var, the linesmans comms breaking etc etc. Hate Football Love City.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

and that my friend is the rub ?


you can give gift's to buy that Bias ? nice watch, holiday, homes, cars, the list goes on and on

There maybe the odd case over the years but if that was the case it would be on the PL/PGMOL/FA/FA off to ensure that said official is brought to book.

As we’ve seen time and time again, they are there the very next game.

 

[Blue Mist]

He's back, I'm out.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

So why haven’t Liverpool had a penalty this season ?

Doesn't always need to be penalties given, as often it is the goals ( or cards ) not given against them which are just as , if not more relevent.

Like the Wolves goal last night.