Of course they do. Every fan does. It doesn’t mean they aren’t being aided by the league to “protect the product”.You don’t think Man Utd fans moan and cry about VAR when decisions go against them ?
We got on just fine without it. There were mistakes but we accepted that
Fully agree it was glossed over at the time. Clanfield being redeveloped to increase capacity but still no provision for screens. Stinks.Yet the hugely rich rugby league (sarcasm alert) ensures all grounds have screens including the grand final as it’s essential. Tough if capacity is affected.
West Ham and City fans tend to have a similar outlook when it comes to football.I’ll never accept this argument - more matches were ruined before VAR than they are now - fair enough if you recall it differently
It quite clearly isn’t 100% off side though. It is in fact right on the edge of the official description of what is and what isn’t classed as a “deliberate play” of the ball. The VAR is never going to over rule such a subjective decision. I believe he should have referred it back to the referee to make that decision though.
I may be wrong, but for the CL and the WC this year, weren't they using their own cameras installed at pre-defined points in all stadiums on a consistent basis? But in England, we are still just using broadcast cameras? I guess with the introduction of SAOT, this problem with cameras will be resolved.
Doesn't explain why blind spots are accepted at any grounds though.
So Anfield and old Trafford both aren't fit for purpose regarding var ? After last night Anfield certainly isn't, has Trafford also been exposed ?In years gone by, this would be a scandal. Not once have we been told that there’s an issue at a PL ground and since its inception fans have been arguing whether VAR is working at that ground. Now we find that there is an issue and it doesn’t work in a particular area so therefore not playing within the rules.
How the hell have we got to this point with, after many years of implementation, the rules not being properly applied and the benefit of doubt being implemented on a subjective basis. Remember, we were told that certain decisions aren’t subjective, they’re black and white.
West Ham and City fans tend to have a similar outlook when it comes to football.
How do your West Ham mates see this whole VAR situation?
This a thousand times over.I doubt that the saner posters on here think that VAR is to benefit Liverpool and United per se, I don't even think the PL cares if City win three in a row, even if they would like change. But surely you must understand the commercial benefit to the PL of having close competition for the title and having the most popular clubs involved as much as they can. Similarly for the FA with the two cups. The referees don't have to give penalties every week, or favour those teams every week. It's easy to manipulate results by the way matches are refereed. An opaque and poorly implemented VAR is the cherry on the cake.
You don’t think Man Utd fans moan and cry about VAR when decisions go against them ?
Moan united.....They moan when things are going for them !
When they don't call out OBVIOUS corruption it makes the broadcasters 100% complicit in game manipulation.Sky the ever impartial broadcaster with the biggest tv package rights has told us why the Liverpool goal stood and why the Wolves one didn't so we should all just move on.
Its not like they have any skin in the game so.....
Gaslighting fuckers
From my experience, I didn’t see the incidents you mentioned, they just back up the officials.How about my 2 recent hammers examples ?
Cresswell got a ball smashed in his face and the ref awarded a penalty - until VAR over turned
Bowen got taken out in the box and the ref pointed for a goal kick - until VAR over turned and we got the penalty
There’s been loads and loads of these nailed on decisions where the officials got it completely wrong and VAR have been there to correct it - how can you say VAR does nothing and they just agree with the officials when that’s not been the case ?
When they don't call out OBVIOUS corruption it makes the broadcasters 100% complicit in game manipulation.
One can only surmise they are being controlled by the dangling carrot of the rights to broadcast games.
An here is the problem...This is what our friend Dale Johnson said:
"It's a controversial decision, and goes right to the heart of what is a "deliberate play" by a defender. There is no doubt Salah is in an offside position, but if the officials judge Toti's actions to be a "deliberate play", Salah cannot be penalised or offside. In short, a "deliberate play" only applies when a defender has control over where the ball goes. There are many factors which are taken into account, and an attempted header is judged more in favour of the defender than a kick. This is because there is, generally, less control in heading a ball. Mohamed Salah is offside when the ball is played by Cody Gakpo. If a defender has to stretch or jump to head the ball, this is an extra layer for determining that it's not a "deliberate play". Dean decided not to intervene in the on-field decision to allow the goal. However. we are likely to see similar instances where a goal is disallowed. It's a hugely subjective area of offside, and Wolves can consider themselves very unfortunate to have conceded this goal too."
This is as close as he will ever get to saying Dean made a mistake.
The reference against which the game is run and decisions are made.When he said this of the Rag's: "When your most popular club isn't doing as well, that costs you interest and audience in some places" you just knew it was no longer about the fans.
Because the year pre VAR (the previous highest) there wasa season average of 38k per match for the prem... Last season it was 39k ...In that case why aren’t fans boycotting ? Why are attendances at record levels in the PL
Similar to most club fans I’d say - In my view, fans that that want rid of VAR are like Brexit voters - always angry, outraged, calling corruption - they think without VAR we’ll be in a much better place, everything will be rosy like ‘it was before’’ - very short memories when you think of the outrage over decisions and the diving we had before especially Man Utd and Liverpool
For me we should stick with VAR - it is improving year on year - fewer matches now have major talking points like Liverpool match last night but there will always be mistakes and outrage - but with each one the PL can learn and adapt.
I know I’m in the minority on this on here
(Taking little one to soft play and then family meal after so off now - BlueMist feel free to come back and shout at the clouds )