VAR thread 2022/23

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Stephen230 said:
I don’t know who sets the cameras up for VAR use but I imagine it would be connected to whoever maintains the other VAR equipment. The problem at Anfield wasn’t a blind spot but that the camera(s) that captured the incident hadn’t been calibrated for VAR use. This image is from what they call the high tactical camera, which isn’t calibrated for VAR use.

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Why there wasn’t a better placed camera that was calibrated I’ve no idea. Whether it’s an Anfield issue or ITV or whoever they contract out the camera work to?

What hasn’t been mentioned by the conspiracy brigade is that the only other time I’m aware of this problem happening is when an Arsenal goal stood against Liverpool earlier in the season at The Emirates because no camera that captured Saka out near the touchline was calibrated for VAR use.

When they eventually bring in semi automated offside technology, where every player is tracked, it’ll remove this issue.
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the dippers might have udeservedly won a trophy by then though
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
It's more evidence to the fact that the VAR setup at Anfield is not up to scratch, and therefor wide open to corruption.
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Possibly. Or maybe the VAR had one quick look and decided it was onside? I honestly can’t remember it in enough detail to remember if it was a really close one that couldn’t be decided without lines or close but easy enough to see with a freeze frame.
 
Stephen230 said:
I keep seeing this clip as proof of something dodgy but the linesman isn’t even in it. Some other guy accused me of deliberately ignoring the full clip that apparently clearly shows the linesman running back to the half way line until the referee orders him to stop and stick his flag up. Do we know where this full clip is available to view out of interest?
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Well, everyone that attended the match confirmed that the linesman did not raise his flag until after Wolves scored (and after Madley seemingly gestured to him to raise his flag).

But if you want to see it yourself, you can watch the end of these highlights, which shows when Madley gestures to the linesman to raise his flag (after the ball was in the back of the net), then Madley whistles, and the commentator indicates the flag has gone up.

 
Stephen230 said:
I don’t know who sets the cameras up for VAR use but I imagine it would be connected to whoever maintains the other VAR equipment. The problem at Anfield wasn’t a blind spot but that the camera(s) that captured the incident hadn’t been calibrated for VAR use. This image is from what they call the high tactical camera, which isn’t calibrated for VAR use.

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Why there wasn’t a better placed camera that was calibrated I’ve no idea. Whether it’s an Anfield issue or ITV or whoever they contract out the camera work to?

What hasn’t been mentioned by the conspiracy brigade is that the only other time I’m aware of this problem happening is when an Arsenal goal stood against Liverpool earlier in the season at The Emirates because no camera that captured Saka out near the touchline was calibrated for VAR use.

When they eventually bring in semi automated offside technology, where every player is tracked, it’ll remove this issue.
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You’re describing the blind spot in the VAR offside assessment system at Anfield and then saying there is no blind spot.

I think someone may have a blind spot when it comes to VAR.
 
Stephen230 said:
I don’t know who sets the cameras up for VAR use but I imagine it would be connected to whoever maintains the other VAR equipment. The problem at Anfield wasn’t a blind spot but that the camera(s) that captured the incident hadn’t been calibrated for VAR use. This image is from what they call the high tactical camera, which isn’t calibrated for VAR use.

3eb1432978f6a09b5ee3a883b672c743.jpg


Why there wasn’t a better placed camera that was calibrated I’ve no idea. Whether it’s an Anfield issue or ITV or whoever they contract out the camera work to?

What hasn’t been mentioned by the conspiracy brigade is that the only other time I’m aware of this problem happening is when an Arsenal goal stood against Liverpool earlier in the season at The Emirates because no camera that captured Saka out near the touchline was calibrated for VAR use.

When they eventually bring in semi automated offside technology, where every player is tracked, it’ll remove this issue.
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Conspiracy brigade? All we are doing is trying to find credible explanations from the evidence before us.

1. The corner taker wasn't offside at any point. Any competent referee's assistant will know that being in an offside position isn't the same as being offside. He was in an offside position for the first header (unsurprising really, as he had just taken the corner). But he was at least 30 yards away from the ball, and the ball stayed in front of the goal.

2. He was in an onside position when the second header was made.

3. He was not offside at any point during that attack.

4. Given he wasn't offside, why was he flagged offside? Why is nobody asking the linesman why he interpreted this as offside? He should be punished for making such basic errors.

5. What was the signal from Madley to his linesman?

6. Why didn't the linesman signal for offside until after Madley gave this gesture with his hand.

7. Why did the linesman appear to go towards the centre of the pitch, and change his mind after he saw the signal from Madley.

8. Can we hear the conversations between officials, if they have nothing to hide.

These are all genuine concerns, that PGMOL and other governing bodies are ignoring. It screams BENT.

All we have from them is that there wasn't enough video evidence to overturn the original decision, as if the offside decision in itself was marginal. It wasn't. As I said above, no competent assistant referee would have deemed that as offside.
 
Apparently the VAR set ups are not uniform at each stadium, which is in itself somewhat dubious. Some grounds like our place have seven cameras, surprise surprise the cult only have four, with a known blindspot in the anfield road end.
The same one that ‘wasn’t working properly’ when Salah scored that offside header v us in 2019, coincidentally
This and the fact they and the rags still get away with not having a screen, presumably allowing them to pack in more paying tourists and daytrippers, also raised questions about why they are allowed to continue to flout the PL’s own rules
Madley clearly telling the linesman to raise his flag when he was already running back to halfway needs to be investigated. But it won’t be
 
LongsightM13 said:
Apparently the VAR set ups are not uniform at each stadium, which is in itself somewhat dubious. Some grounds like our place have seven cameras, surprise surprise the cult only have four, with a known blindspot in the anfield road end.
The same one that ‘wasn’t working properly’ when Salah scored that offside header v us in 2019, coincidentally
This and the fact they and the rags still get away with not having a screen, presumably allowing them to pack in more paying tourists and daytrippers, also raised questions about why they are allowed to continue to flout the PL’s own rules
Madley clearly telling the linesman to raise his flag when he was already running back to halfway needs to be investigated. But it won’t be
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Precisely.

IT IS NOT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. You simply cannot have 'slightly' different VAR protocols at certain grounds. Either make them comply, or fuck them off.
 
Paladin said:
Conspiracy brigade? All we are doing is trying to find credible explanations from the evidence before us.

1. The corner taker wasn't offside at any point. Any competent referee's assistant will know that being in an offside position isn't the same as being offside. He was in an offside position for the first header (unsurprising really, as he had just taken the corner). But he was at least 30 yards away from the ball, and the ball stayed in front of the goal.

2. He was in an onside position when the second header was made.

3. He was not offside at any point during that attack.

4. Given he wasn't offside, why was he flagged offside? Why is nobody asking the linesman why he interpreted this as offside? He should be punished for making such basic errors.

5. What was the signal from Madley to his linesman?

6. Why didn't the linesman signal for offside until after Madley gave this gesture with his hand.

7. Why did the linesman appear to go towards the centre of the pitch, and change his mind after he saw the signal from Madley.

8. Can we hear the conversations between officials, if they have nothing to hide.

These are all genuine concerns, that PGMOL and other governing bodies are ignoring. It screams BENT.

All we have from them is that there wasn't enough video evidence to overturn the original decision, as if the offside decision in itself was marginal. It wasn't. As I said above, no competent assistant referee would have deemed that as offside.
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I fear you have wasted your time with such an excellent post.
The spammer will take 14 pages to bore you into submission and the Blues that believe in Var will simply quote the handball yesterday as a reason why Var works.
Re the handball, I believe Var makes refs lazy, he had no need to make a decision as he knew Var would look at it.
With regards to the Wolves goal, we will never be given any explanation so, if there is a blind spot, it will still be there on the 21st Jan, the dips next home game. It is bent.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Apparently the VAR set ups are not uniform at each stadium, which is in itself somewhat dubious. Some grounds like our place have seven cameras, surprise surprise the cult only have four, with a known blindspot in the anfield road end.
The same one that ‘wasn’t working properly’ when Salah scored that offside header v us in 2019, coincidentally
This and the fact they and the rags still get away with not having a screen, presumably allowing them to pack in more paying tourists and daytrippers, also raised questions about why they are allowed to continue to flout the PL’s own rules
Madley clearly telling the linesman to raise his flag when he was already running back to halfway needs to be investigated. But it won’t be
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It should be a directive that every unproven decision should benefit the away team at Anfield and Old Trafford. Then let's see how quickly they come into line.
 
Paladin said:
8. Can we hear the conversations between officials, if they have nothing to hide.
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This is the one for me which would make the whole system so much more transparent, and is very easy to do and much better for all fans, like they do in other sports. Have an open dialogue we can all hear, as it happens. All refs should be mic'd up.

Yet, for some reason, they don't want to do it in football. It stinks
 
LongsightM13 said:
Apparently the VAR set ups are not uniform at each stadium, which is in itself somewhat dubious. Some grounds like our place have seven cameras, surprise surprise the cult only have four, with a known blindspot in the anfield road end.
The same one that ‘wasn’t working properly’ when Salah scored that offside header v us in 2019, coincidentally
This and the fact they and the rags still get away with not having a screen, presumably allowing them to pack in more paying tourists and daytrippers, also raised questions about why they are allowed to continue to flout the PL’s own rules
Madley clearly telling the linesman to raise his flag when he was already running back to halfway needs to be investigated. But it won’t be
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@LongsightM13 I've just read up on this. The answer to 'how many cameras are used for var in Premier league grounds' is..... between 4 and 8.
A multi million pound game with world wide coverage and yet each individual club can decide how many cameras they will have. What a farce.
 
SWP's back said:
VAR did good by us though yesterday we can all agree.
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No. Thanks to Var the refs dont need to make important decisions, they simply wait for Var. Why give a decision and then look stupid when Var overturn it, just leave it to someone else to do the hardwork.
That cannot be right. Once you decide you don't need to be mentally alert you are on a downward slope.
 
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