VAR thread 2022/23

[SebastianBlue]

But there’s other factors to the conspiracies aside from just benefiting Man U and Liverpool - I was wrong to state ‘solely’ but not wrong to state ‘conspiracy camp’

I agree, it was hyperbole to suggest most people believed that VAR was designed and implemented solely to benefit Liverpool and United.

You know my stance, which I would wager is more in line with how most view the current iteration of VAR:

It was designed and implemented to allow the greatest amount of freedom to influence match outcomes possible with a video review system in an attempt to "protect the product".

It is not always successful, nor is it always to benefit Liverpool or United. But the mere fact that the league had resisted implementing it for decades after it was implemented successfully elsewhere in the world, and then did so in a fashion that most neutral observers see was strangely flawed from the start, is a big clue as to the overarching intention.

The league could have easily created substantially more transparency and confidence in the new VAR setup from the very beginning with a more robust design and more consistent and open implementation and refinement, but they chose not to do that. And they have actually made changes over the past few years to make VAR *less* transparent, which it self is bewildering.

Excuses presented for all of these decisions are naïve, at best, and sycophantic, at worst.

And this is coming from someone that desperately wanted VAR to be adopted in England and Spain for literally decades.

 

[1961_vintage]

For VAR to work it has to be 100% correct all the time. Theres no point it being right 99% of the time

Not at all. It is intended to minimise the risk of errors in major decision making - not remove them entirely. That would be impossible.

 

[1961_vintage]

its brought in to enable results . its a multi billion pound industry , think about it. rags being off the pace costs them a fortune . we are a fly in the ointment and are treated according .

Exactly this. These are smart people. Very smart people operating in a lucrative business within which they exercise a large degree of influence and control.

Did anyone really think that they would implement VAR in such a way as to them relinquishing this control?

 

[SebastianBlue]

Exactly this. These are smart people. Very smart people operating in a lucrative business within which they exercise a large degree of influence and control.

Did anyone really think that they would implement VAR in such a way as to them relinquishing this control?

Some people do. They genuinely believe the governing bodies in football waited 20 years after the technology had already been developed and continually refined elsewhere to make sure the design and implementation was perfect from the start... allegedly.

 

[BlueHammer85]

your team are unaffected as they will never be in the hunt for trophies .

Tell that to our fanbase who think VAR is conspiring against us all the time

VAR has overturned 49 decisions for West Ham

VAR has been directly involved in five West Ham games this season, the most of any Premier League club this term so far with 49 decisions overturned in West Ham games since VAR was introduced in 2019.

6foot2.co.uk

 

[Bluesince1979]

Why not ? I’d rather 99% than 82%

Because it should be 100% accurate

 

[Bluesince1979]

How can it be? It’s still a human being looking at what happened on a screen. Many incidents are open to interpretation- even when they draw lines to check offside there’s still arguments about using the correct frame/not enough frames/dodgy calls on where a player's sleeve meets his arm

Exactly this. Lines for offside shouldnt be debatable. We know they dont have the tech to know exactly when the ball left the foot but they still want to rule a goal out by the millimetre

 

[Bill]

Tell that to our fanbase who think VAR is conspiring against us all the time

VAR has overturned 49 decisions for West Ham

VAR has been directly involved in five West Ham games this season, the most of any Premier League club this term so far with 49 decisions overturned in West Ham games since VAR was introduced in 2019.

6foot2.co.uk

yep, and they are right . what I am saying is it will never affect your season either way .

 

[Bluesince1979]

Not at all. It is intended to minimise the risk of errors in major decision making - not remove them entirely. That would be impossible.

There should be 0% errors when it comes to offside.

Either have the tech that gets it 100% right, or not

 

[Bill]

Exactly this. Lines for offside shouldnt be debatable. We know they dont have the tech to know exactly when the ball left the foot but they still want to rule a goal out by the millimetre

when it suits .

 

[Stephen230]

Go back a couple of years to its initial implementation and Liverpool score roughly 15 seconds against us after Trent plays basketball in his own box. Deemed a new phase of play, ….bollocks.

That had nothing to do with phases of play. That’s just muddying the waters. They decided, rightly or as I’m sure most City fans would think, wrongly, that it wasn’t handball. If they’d decided it was handball, everything that happened after that would have been irrelevant, no matter how many phases of play there had been before play was stopped.

 

[Gray]

...11 people have voted 'Yes' and 16 people have voted 'No' since I put the poll up three and a half hours ago.

I mean, I know people think Bluemoon is dominated by a small number of power users but surely we can agree there are more than 27 active users on here?

If you had separated the Scum and Scousers then I for one would have voted yes for the scousers and no for the Scum.

 

[SebastianBlue]

If you had separated the Scum and Scousers then I for one would have voted yes for the scousers and no for the Scum.

That'll be next phase of play. ;-)

 

[dronefromsector7G]

...11 people have voted 'Yes' and 16 people have voted 'No' since I put the poll up three and a half hours ago.

I mean, I know people think Bluemoon is dominated by a small number of power users but surely we can agree there are more than 27 active users on here?

How many have even seen that you added the poll?

 

[BlueHammer85]

yep, and they are right . what I am saying is it will never affect your season either way .

Relegation ? European spot ? Of course decisions can affect any club - very condescending

 

[SebastianBlue]

How many have even seen that you added the poll?

That's where the "active users" designation comes in.

I am sure we'll soon get the ole Bluemoon contrarian push in voting as people read the debate in here, which will see @BlueHammer85 do a victory lap. ;-)

 

[BlueHammer85]

Because it should be 100% accurate

You’ll never get 100% accuracy in any system - and even if there was , fans would still debate and disagree on the outcome

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

No I do not. Thats ridiculous, it was easier before VAR!

I do think it is being used to give them a helping hand though and that comes from bias/fear/need. Seems obvious to me, and its human nature. Put enough people with the same interests in charge of something and they will flout the rules for the common good, and it wont even be seen as illegal.

My theory depends though upon there being a larger number of lfc/utd fans than any other club.

 

[1961_vintage]

That's where the "active users" designation comes in.

I am sure we'll soon get the ole Bluemoon contrarian push in voting as people read the debate in here, which will see @BlueHammer85 do a victory lap. ;-)

The result will be reviewed by VAR and the outcome will be "whatever @BlueHammer85 wants".

 

[BlueHammer85]

No I do not. Thats ridiculous, it was easier before VAR!

Exactly - if there’s a conspiracy to benefit Liverpool/Man Utd with the use of VAR - they’ve cocked it right up. They can’t even give a dodgy penalty to Liverpool this season from a trademark Salah dive