Villa Vs City Post Match Discussion Thread

[Anonymous]

Yes that's very weird. Stoke beaten by Norwich today at Stoke (we drew), Cardiff failed to win their next two home games after beating us and yesterday we handed Villa their first home victory after they had lost at home to Geordies and Dippers. Still glad you remain 'remarkably sanguine'. We should have got nine points from these games ( minimum seven).

Correct, we should have but we didn't. The world turns, life goes on and we're only 3 points off top spot with a shit load of the season left. Like I say, the good stuff I've seen leaves me still feeling more positive on the whole than pessimistic for the season. Plenty of sides will cop a battering off us.

Don't agree but then it is all about opinions. By the way we're five points off the top.

Yep, apologies, not looked at the table properly. And I do agree there are a number of things Pellegrini needs to work on and get right; I'm just not worried right now. If we are not in the top 4 by then end of December (preferably top 2!) then I'll get a panic on.

 

[samharris]

Beat Everton next week and thus ends the bullshit!!

No, thats when we'll get more triumphalist "thats why we were outers" bullshit, until the next loss when we'll get more "Mancini should have stayed bullshit" until the next win ....

Does this forum work in any other way ?? just saying what I know will happen..

win and we are the best,lose and we are c u n t s. ;)

 

[MillionDollarDream]

We are still better than every team occupying a place ahead of us. Spurs Arsenal and Chelsea will drop more than 6 points over the next few weeks. Every team is vulnerable this season. Southampton really? I still have faith.

 

[jrb]

Some talking points.

F*** me, the Linesman even had the grass cutting lines to help him.

Was Hart too far over to his left hand side?

The ball is just in shot.

Sunday league defending.

As you can see, neither Kompany or Nastasic make an attempt to head the ball. Both are also caught either side of Weimann who is running through.(he's seen the ball coming and he's off)

Kompany then let's the ball bounce in front of him and past him instead of heading it, while Nastasic doesn't react to Weimann.

The goals are here. The Arabic Commentator is a nutter. Especially after Yaya scored the first. ;-)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8K2hETTX7o[/youtube]

 

[kevodevo]

Went Yesterday.

One of the best smash and grabs I've ever seen.

Anyway.

Perhaps it's just coincidence? Or is it?

City 1-0 up Cardiff and cruising. Substitutions. The rest is History.
City 2-1 up at Villa and cruising. Substitutions. The rest is History.

One more thing. Why when there's a free kick dead centre of the goal, don't Managers put 1 player on the goal line alongside the Keeper? It's going to go in either corner. If the attacking team want to swap the 6 yard box, it will only make it harder for the free kick taker to score, due to the amout of players in the way. Just a thought.

Or deflects of someone into the goal

because if you do that you allow opposition players closer to the goal as they are played onside - not good!

 

[Notinmylifetime]

They had 33% possession and 3 chances. They scored all 3. On another day we'd win that game how we played 9 out of 10. OK Nasty didn't cover himself in glory but he's young and will learn off Vinny. The week before we thrashed the rags with probably the best premier league performance for the first hour by any team in the last 5 years. We'll come good and be there or thereabouts come May. Just 1 point from 9 away is frustrating and not good enough, but we'll learn from it and be better for it for the rest of the season. Have faith. CTID.

 

[Len Rum]

Some good pics above by jrb.

The offside is slightly exagerrated because the ball has travelled a bit.He wasn't that far advanced beyond the last man when the pass was made but he was still offside. And yes Joe's positioning is poor.

 

[kevodevo]

4-5-1 with Nasri behind Negredo, ala 2nd half against Bayern pre-season.

Looks very fluid, hardly any top sides play 2 up top.

Negredo against Bayern?ur joking.
He didnt score against man u,didnt score against wigan didnt score against vila.
how do u justify him in a starting line up against Bayern?
Dzeko and Jovetic up front (if aguero not fit)

Negredo worked so that we managed to score four against the rags- he holds up , passes when needed and the fact he does not score is irrelevant
so long as anyone scores that is all that matters-he will be important come Wednesday as Aguero will need his physical presence and he can work his magic.

 

[LoveCity]

They had 33% possession and 3 chances. They scored all 3. On another day we'd win that game how we played 9 out of 10.

Only problem is, in 9 out of 10 away games like these we seem to drop points despite dominating possession and having more chances! It's Groundhog Day on drugs. We're averaging the same amount of points as Fulham on the road this year... this issue goes back to last season and even the title winning season... ever since West Brom away (Boxing Day 2011) we've been very hit-and-miss away from home.

 

[OB1]

4-5-1 with Nasri behind Negredo, ala 2nd half against Bayern pre-season.

Looks very fluid, hardly any top sides play 2 up top.

Negredo against Bayern?ur joking.
He didnt score against man u,didnt score against wigan didnt score against vila.
how do u justify him in a starting line up against Bayern?
Dzeko and Jovetic up front (if aguero not fit)

Negredo worked so that we managed to score four against the rags- he holds up , passes when needed and the fact he does not score is irrelevant
so long as anyone scores that is all that matters-he will be important come Wednesday as Aguero will need his physical presence and he can work his magic.

Negredo had two assists against the Rags.

 

[jrb]

Went Yesterday.

One of the best smash and grabs I've ever seen.

Anyway.

Perhaps it's just coincidence? Or is it?

City 1-0 up Cardiff and cruising. Substitutions. The rest is History.
City 2-1 up at Villa and cruising. Substitutions. The rest is History.

One more thing. Why when there's a free kick dead centre of the goal, don't Managers put 1 player on the goal line alongside the Keeper? It's going to go in either corner. If the attacking team want to swap the 6 yard box, it will only make it harder for the free kick taker to score, due to the amout of players in the way. Just a thought.

Or deflects of someone into the goal

because if you do that you allow opposition players closer to the goal as they are played onside - not good!

Obvious!

I did state as much.

It's a choice. Give the player taking the free kick a clear shot at goal( Yaya(3) Rooney(3), and Bacuna(1) ), or make it difficult for the player, while in the process taking a risk of a goal via a deflection.(with x amount of players standing in the 6 years box)

Obviously the clear shot on goal is still the preferred option for defending teams. ;-)

 

[cookster]

4-5-1 with Nasri behind Negredo, ala 2nd half against Bayern pre-season.

Looks very fluid, hardly any top sides play 2 up top.

Negredo against Bayern?ur joking.
He didnt score against man u,didnt score against wigan didnt score against vila.
how do u justify him in a starting line up against Bayern?
Dzeko and Jovetic up front (if aguero not fit)

Where did I say Negredo should start against Bayern? This is Villa post match thread and Aguero wasn't available.

Against Bayern, 4-5-1 with Aguero leading the line.

 

[jrb]

Anyway, I don't see what you lot have got to moan about. Especially those who went.

£40 for a view of a............

 

[OB1]

Anway, I'm getting bored with discussing yesterday, people can nitpick all they like but I am writing it off as a "shit happens" day. If we have several of them, I'll reappraise that view.

Couldn't we say that 3/3 away games have been "shit happens" days though?

Shit shouldn't have happened. Nastasic made a stupid foul that was in no way necessary and Hart ran right out and then made no attempt to do anything (compare what Lloris does).

Both these goals have come about because our last line of defence has fallen into panic.

Stoke wasn't a shit happens day: it was a below par performance. Cardiff had an element of shit happens about it but not, IMO, to the extent of yesterday; although both were notable for some horrid errors. Most of the performance yesterday was much more satisfactory than Cardiff. I also think that if the officials had not got it wrong on their first goal, we would have gone on and won the game.

Mistakes by players and officials are inevitable and we won't always get as heavily punished for them as we did yesterday.

 

[IcriedwhenTueartleft]

Okay, 24 hours later and I'm still feeling depressed about yesterday's result. I was not a huge fan of Mancini but on the few occasions where we would take the lead away from home we generally held on to win and we did so by firming up at the back and in midfield and generally taking fewer chances. This team and new style seem unable to do that, losing leads at Cardiff and twice at Villa. There are similarities in both games....we lost the lead at Cardiff and Villa within 5 or so minutes both times, conceded 3 goals in both games in the 2nd half after first halves where we were generally under piss all threat. In both games, the 3 goals conceded came within an approx 20/25 minute spell....is fitness an issue here or lack of concentration? Even worse, Cardiff and Villa both knocked in two goals in the space of a few minutes. Top teams shouldn't collapse so readily like we have against fairly mediocre opposition like Cardiff and Villa but there is plenty of time to sort this out.
I wonder if we'd have lost both games and leads in both games had we still had Barry, a guy who can really dig in when needed and break up play. I wasn't a huge fan of his when he was here but away from home he could be a vital cog for us and offered protection to the back 4 that Ya Ya and Fernandinho don't seem to be able to do at the moment. Possibly havering there...
The stat that I read earlier, the one that shows the opposition scoring 6 against us from 10 shots on target away from home can be interpreted several ways, for example, either as a succession of wonder strikes and rank good fortune from opposition players or possibly shows a goalkeeper (and defence) not doing his/their part from the limited time they've been called into action.
I can see us beating Bayern and Everton next week to get things back on track though.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Anway, I'm getting bored with discussing yesterday, people can nitpick all they like but I am writing it off as a "shit happens" day. If we have several of them, I'll reappraise that view.

Couldn't we say that 3/3 away games have been "shit happens" days though?

Shit shouldn't have happened. Nastasic made a stupid foul that was in no way necessary and Hart ran right out and then made no attempt to do anything (compare what Lloris does).

Both these goals have come about because our last line of defence has fallen into panic.

Stoke wasn't a shit happens day: it was a below par performance. Cardiff had an element of shit happens about it but not, IMO, to the extent of yesterday; although both were notable for some horrid errors. Most of the performance yesterday was much more satisfactory than Cardiff. I also think that if the officials had not got it wrong on their first goal, we would have gone on and won the game.

Mistakes by players and officials are inevitable and we won't always get as heavily punished for them as we did yesterday.

Liverpool, like Arsenal yesterday, currently highlighting the point I made earlier. Get in front, shut up shop, and then finish the game off on the counter. That said, in the absence of Aguero, we have nothing close to rivalling either Sturridge or the Klansman. They go past opponents in tight spaces like they aren't there, and conjure up goals out of nothing - 3 between them again today. If they played for us we'd be top. Ruthless. Those waiting for Liverpool, the Arse or Spurs to implode will wait in vain. It doesn't matter whether we're shit (Cardiff) or unlucky (Villa), if we don't come up with a pragmatic way to win away from home, we will left scrapping for 4th with the rags and Chelsea before you know it

 

[Deleted member 52846]

When Agüero isn't on the pitch we look a class below, up front.

 

[kevodevo]

Anyway, I don't see what you lot have got to moan about. Especially those who went.

£40 for a view of a............

it was worse behind you!

 

[Kevindxb]

I don't think Pellegrini wanted his team to give Villa any sort of breather: IMO, he brought Navas on to try and strike a killer blow. After Nasri left, most of the play remained in the Villa half.

We'll just have to disagree.

He didn't. He's mucked up the tactics which allowed them the breather. changed too much too quick.

I take it all these coaching badges and premier league experience you have, brings you to this conclusion about
tactics and I thought they were minty or orange.

I've never managed a team, but I've been playing football and watch it for over 25 years. I think I am entitled to an opinion :)

 

[Kevindxb]

Went Yesterday.

One of the best smash and grabs I've ever seen.

Anyway.

Perhaps it's just coincidence? Or is it?

City 1-0 up Cardiff and cruising. Substitutions. The rest is History.
City 2-1 up at Villa and cruising. Substitutions. The rest is History.

One more thing. Why when there's a free kick dead centre of the goal, don't Managers put 1 player on the goal line alongside the Keeper? It's going to go in either corner. If the attacking team want to swap the 6 yard box, it will only make it harder for the free kick taker to score, due to the amout of players in the way. Just a thought.

Totally agree with you. Pelle is still experimenting with his tactics and how they translate on the pitch. He should aim for stable performance, if it working, leave it till the final whistle.
Not sure of the player on goal line though, might block keeper's clearance?