Welbeck vs Balotelli

schfc6 said:
nashark, you seem to have some weird delusions of grandeur, and a very low intelligence level. You may claim to have a great football knowledge, but if you do, you don't articulate it well.
You have formed your opinions based on those of others, you have claimed Jose didn't rate him, you were proved wrong, Mourinho did rate him. You have claimed if he were any good he would have played more often at Inter, ignoring the fact that he was 18/19 at the time and competing for the 1 striker birth with Et'o and Milito two top level experienced European strikers. To say he's of no real quality because he failed to dislodge these players at just 18/19 shows a lack of intelligence. You question Mario's intelligence levels, can you speak two languages fluently? Could you pass a driving test in a foreign language in a foreign country? His football intelligence is there for all to see in his first goal against the Rags in the 1-6. His movement is brilliant, his positioning excellent, yes his decision making is sometimes a little off to the dam right ridiculous, but that is what genius gives you. Welback is an interesting comparison. yet as with comparisons in football a little bigoted. Yes they are young but that is where is stops, Welbeck is a grafter, runs all day and strong a common thing with British strikers. Balotelli is different, people expect him to be something different. because he's a big black lad, they expect him to have all the attributes of Ish Miller. His positioning, movement, touch and finishing are similar to Weah or Ronaldo(original) like when we signed Aguero everyone thought we had the next Tevez, Aguero is far more like Romario than Tevez. People expect him to chase everything, put a real shift in, would they do this if he was a long haired Italian no10? Did fans expect Di Canio, Zola, Bergkamp, Cantona, Henry to chase round like Efan Ekuku?
You have compared him to Welbeck who most seem to agree is decent, but nothing special. Similar ages, Balotelli has starred twice against United, started the season on fire, scoring all types of goal. Both Fergie and Mourinho have gone on record admiring his talent, yes Mourinho questioned his talent, yet while I'd never question Mourinho's managerial ability, he is very unproven at youth development, he obviously prefers established players over up and coming talent. To question Balotelli's ability because he struggled to win a regular place in the starting xi in his teens whilst competing with 2 top class players.
I don't like Mario because he's in Heat, however I do admire his individual flair and his eccentricities, I love his personality and I don't subscribe to anyone else's views to form my own.
Whilst you must have some good opinions, (I agree to compare Onouha to Richards is laughable) to consider Balotelli anything other than an immense talent with the world at his feet is just odd. To compare to Welbeck well that's just weird. Mario has already done more than Welbeck, by a long way, and all this without hitting anywhere near the heights most would expect him to reach. The fact that he is an insatiable personality, buckets of charisma and the eye for the ridiculous makes him all the better in my opinion. Young, talented, charismatic, brilliant, multi lingual, charming, entertaining and he produces on the pitch and that's still not enough, what more do you want?
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Oh yeah!!
 
Two things to look at and consider:

1) Rooney's reaction to what Welbeck does before our 5th goal compared to our players reaction to Balo for our goals.

2) Watch Boo Weekley ride his club like a horse at the 2008 Ryder Cup and then watch Welbeck run, the resemblance says it all.

One is a great talent brought in because he has that much potential, the other is at a top club because he's young and english which is a rarity and he's now 10 times as good as he was out on loan last season because he's changed shirts.
 
january 2008
balotelli is 17
coppa italia last 8
juventus vs inter
mario's second game as professional player




[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jooFNy_Vo08[/youtube]


but surely a 17 welbeck could have done better
 
schfc6 said:
nashark, you seem to have some weird delusions of grandeur, and a very low intelligence level. You may claim to have a great football knowledge, but if you do, you don't articulate it well.
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I'll be honest: I sleep better when people, instead of challenging the points I made about Balotelli, decide to turn this into a thread about my character. It really is rewarding and confirms what I already know.

schfc6 said:
You have formed your opinions based on those of others
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Wrong. I've used the opinion of someone credible to support my own opinion.

schfc6 said:
You question Mario's intelligence levels, can you speak two languages fluently? Could you pass a driving test in a foreign language in a foreign country?
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My point was about his intelligence related to football. That distinction aside, I can put on a bib.

schfc6 said:
you have claimed Jose didn't rate him, you were proved wrong, Mourinho did rate him. You have claimed if he were any good he would have played more often at Inter, ignoring the fact that he was 18/19 at the time and competing for the 1 striker birth with Et'o and Milito two top level experienced European strikers.
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I said that Balotelli has enormous ability when it comes to shooting. Also, I happen to think that's about all he's got, other than his physical attributes. But even if I said he has zero ability, it wouldn't be the case that I was wrong on Mourinho's say-so.

What Mourinho said, in this instance, doesn't bother me. All I know is that he rarely started. Actions speak louder than words and all that. There may be other reasons for his exclusion as you've mentioned, but then again, there may be other reasons for Mourinho saying that he could become a good player if he trains harder. That sort of statement might serve to make Balotelli train harder than any actual reflection of Mourinho's beliefs.

So we arrive at the same point: does Mourinho rate him?

None of us know for sure, but we can look at the fact that he wasn't a starter and we can look at Mourinho's comments after he'd left Inter where he says that 'he sometimes doesn't know how to use his brain' as evidence to support what I was saying: Balotelli is not an intelligent footballer.

There's a few pundits as well I could have used to support my argument, but Mourinho seems to be regarded as one of the most knowledgeable football figures of all time.

schfc6 said:
is movement is brilliant, his positioning excellent, yes his decision making is sometimes a little off to the dam right ridiculous, but that is what genius gives you. Welback is an interesting comparison. yet as with comparisons in football a little bigoted. Yes they are young but that is where is stops, Welbeck is a grafter, runs all day and strong a common thing with British strikers. Balotelli is different, people expect him to be something different. because he's a big black lad, they expect him to have all the attributes of Ish Miller. His positioning, movement, touch and finishing are similar to Weah or Ronaldo(original) like when we signed Aguero everyone thought we had the next Tevez, Aguero is far more like Romario than Tevez. People expect him to chase everything, put a real shift in, would they do this if he was a long haired Italian no10? Did fans expect Di Canio, Zola, Bergkamp, Cantona, Henry to chase round like Efan Ekuku?
You have compared him to Welbeck who most seem to agree is decent, but nothing special. Similar ages, Balotelli has starred twice against United, started the season on fire, scoring all types of goal.
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Obviously, there's a lot there I disagree with as you can see from my earlier posts, but I supported that with examples of those qualities/lack of qualities in action in a real game.

schfc6 said:
Fergie and Mourinho have gone on record admiring his talent
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I've offered my opposition to Mourinho's purported admiration and he himself makes it obvious that he follows my line of argument.

What's Fergie said other than 'he's a very emotional player' which, to me, comes across as a slight against him?

More evidence that he is not governed by his intellect for the purposes of football.

I think this amounts to a difference in opinion but, to my mind, he is not an intelligent footballer and as much as you might disagree with that pointing to his trophies and what not, I am supported by somebody who has won more trophies than you and Balotelli and is much more admired for his ability to read the game than you or Balotelli.
 
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