Well done Hughes

[Bill]

i'd take hughes over wenger any day, he has won fuck all for 4 years, we wont go that long till we win something.

Sorry but the defense of Hughes is now getting silly when stuff like this is said imo.

I will say it again, the assumption is that Hughes does have the skills to make it and that given time he will win us silverware?

We have nothing to prove or even suggest that. Only time will tell and are we in a position to give him the time? Only our owners have the answer.

Wenger>Hughes all day long and his record proves it.

so now you are saying you too would have wenger over hughes?

 

[Brendan110_0]

Mr Potato head can win silverware if funds are unlimited (players on the pitch win games not the managers), Hughes will win a trophy soon, relax and enjoy it you Hughes out muppets!

God, some people on here really need their heads pulling out of their arses! Sorry if that offends but I'm fed up of the whining r'tards now......go throw yourselves off a bridge. lol

 

[bizzbo]

Thanks for proving my point.

Since when has 99.9% been everyone and 'most' been 'all'?

oh dear. 99.9% means one person in a thousand understands. presumably that's you. you certainly went on to state that 'those who do are saying he has done a good job', which is another way of saying that those who have been critical do not understand 'what he has done for the club'. it's a stupid argument, circular logic. 'they don't understand because they are critical, because they don't understand'

there are plenty of well informed, soundly reasoned critiques of hughes' efforts. for someone like me who has reservations, but is prepared to be convinced either way, it's very frustrating when all criticism is lumped together as the result of ignorance or impatience. In short, it gets my back up.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Some people wouldn't know football if it hit them in the fookin face!

The tactics were predictably awful - send a team out not to lose, on the off-chance we might sneak something.

The mentality is shit for a team supposedly trying to break the elite and - why the need to chase the game each and every time before our attacking quality and defensive midfield mindset changes?

Typical plan A Hughes - hope for the best we get lucky ten times out of ten at the back, oh, and shit-or-bust, otherwise.

The defensive planning, alone, from the management structure, is eveidence enough Hughes' message is falling on deaf ears.

And for my fellow blues who continue to state we have only lost one game all season - will you be content enough with that if we finish the season on 40-odd points.

 

[GStar]

Thanks for proving my point.

Since when has 99.9% been everyone and 'most' been 'all'?

oh dear. 99.9% means one person in a thousand understands. presumably that's you. you certainly went on to state that 'those who do are saying he has done a good job', which is another way of saying that those who have been critical do not understand 'what he has done for the club'. it's a stupid argument, circular logic. 'they don't understand because they are critical, because they don't understand'

there are plenty of well informed, soundly reasoned critiques of hughes' efforts. for someone like me who has reservations, but is prepared to be convinced either way, it's very frustrating when all criticism is lumped together as the result of ignorance or impatience. In short, it gets my back up.

If you'd read my posts instead of presuming you'd have seen me say i'm in that 99.9%... But there was a lot of "suggestions" in the papers this and last season.

You've jumped the gun hugely and taken from my posts insinuations that simply weren't there... No wonder theres rarely decent debate on here nowadays, people can't bloody read! The irony is, from what you've said, we have a very similar stance regarding Hughes.

 

[bizzbo]

If you'd read my posts instead of presuming you'd have seen me say i'm in that 99.9%... But there was a lot of "suggestions" in the papers this and last season.

You've jumped the gun hugely and taken from my posts insinuations that simply weren't there... No wonder theres rarely decent debate on here nowadays, people can't bloody read! The irony is, from what you've said, we have a very similar stance regarding Hughes.

I don't think I jumped the gun, and I did read the whole of your post. Your stance might be identical to mine, but it was that specific argument you used to support it that I took issue with. It gets people's backs up, as it is an arrogant way of characterising dissenting views as the result of ignorance. The issues it suggests have also been done to death over the last 12 months, which makes it doubly ironic that you suggest so many people are ignorant. I suggested you withdraw it as, regardless of rest of your postings, regardless of the reasonableness of your stance, it was an unreasonable, unhelpful argument.

 

[BobKowalski]

Oh I think most of us have. Take two contemporary managers. One started managing in 1999 the other in 2000. Both started as managerial novices albeit one started in the higher profile international arena and the other at an unfashionable domestic club in one of the lesser European leagues. Now one of these managers has evolved and progressed to win 14 trophies and the other has won nothing. Zero. Zip. De nada. One of these managers is highly sought after in the European game and the other well just isn't.

Now on your scale of progression, learning curves and evolution which manager out of these two do you think City should hire?

Hardly a relevent question, since we already have hired one of them.

What exactly are you saying, that everyone progresses at the same rate? That anyone who progresses slower should be tossed aside? That we should put all our eggs into one basket, what happens if we hijacked our current managers plans, brought in your hero and he also "failed"... then what?

If we you look at the great managers then yes they tend to make their mark early and by mark I mean winning a major trophy early in their career and by major trophies I am discounting domestic cups.

Their early achievements mark them out as a talent and their talent leads them to achieve. Hughes is often compared to Taggert (and yes Cookie I mean you) whilst forgetting that Taggert broke the old firm monopoly in winning domestic titles plus European honours and he did this in his early 40's. Benitez won the UEFA cup in his early 40's. Hiddinck the European cup, Ancelotti the European Champions league and so on.

Mourinho is an apt comparison because he started his managerial career later than Hughes and after a handful of games for Benfica really started his career at an unfashionable domestic side where he made his mark and then 'progressed' as he 'learnt' and 'evolved'.

I know full well that Hughes ain't going anywhere and I am not a fan of midseason changes in management but Hughes 10 year record does not suggest someone who has either 'progressed', 'learnt' or 'evolved' nor does it compare well with other managers who have actually achieved something.

 

[BobKowalski]

Mr Potato head can win silverware if funds are unlimited (players on the pitch win games not the managers), Hughes will win a trophy soon, relax and enjoy it you Hughes out muppets!

God, some people on here really need their heads pulling out of their arses! Sorry if that offends but I'm fed up of the whining r'tards now......go throw yourselves off a bridge. lol

Then I suggest we employ Mr Potato Head given the manager has no influence on the results on the pitch.

On second thoughts perhaps we already have...

 

[blueinsa]

Sorry but the defense of Hughes is now getting silly when stuff like this is said imo.

I will say it again, the assumption is that Hughes does have the skills to make it and that given time he will win us silverware?

We have nothing to prove or even suggest that. Only time will tell and are we in a position to give him the time? Only our owners have the answer.

Wenger>Hughes all day long and his record proves it.

so now you are saying you too would have wenger over hughes?

Yes.

Tell you what mate, what about Hiddink, would love to hear your views on him ;-)

 

[GStar]

Wenger was managing in Japan when Arsenal snapped him up; he began at Nancy (who were relegated under his guide) ...it took him four years to win a trophy.

We don't need to highlight Fergison's baron spell at the begining of his reign in England.

it took Ancelotti 6 years to win a trophy...

So not all the top managers win trophies right off the bat.