Well done Hughes

[Bill]

i'd take hughes over wenger any day, he has won fuck all for 4 years, we wont go that long till we win something.

Sorry but the defense of Hughes is now getting silly when stuff like this is said imo.

I will say it again, the assumption is that Hughes does have the skills to make it and that given time he will win us silverware?

We have nothing to prove or even suggest that. Only time will tell and are we in a position to give him the time? Only our owners have the answer.

Wenger>Hughes all day long and his record proves it.

so now you are saying you too would have wenger over hughes?

 

[Brendan110_0]

Mr Potato head can win silverware if funds are unlimited (players on the pitch win games not the managers), Hughes will win a trophy soon, relax and enjoy it you Hughes out muppets!

God, some people on here really need their heads pulling out of their arses! Sorry if that offends but I'm fed up of the whining r'tards now......go throw yourselves off a bridge. lol

 

[bizzbo]

Thanks for proving my point.

Since when has 99.9% been everyone and 'most' been 'all'?

oh dear. 99.9% means one person in a thousand understands. presumably that's you. you certainly went on to state that 'those who do are saying he has done a good job', which is another way of saying that those who have been critical do not understand 'what he has done for the club'. it's a stupid argument, circular logic. 'they don't understand because they are critical, because they don't understand'

there are plenty of well informed, soundly reasoned critiques of hughes' efforts. for someone like me who has reservations, but is prepared to be convinced either way, it's very frustrating when all criticism is lumped together as the result of ignorance or impatience. In short, it gets my back up.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Some people wouldn't know football if it hit them in the fookin face!

The tactics were predictably awful - send a team out not to lose, on the off-chance we might sneak something.

The mentality is shit for a team supposedly trying to break the elite and - why the need to chase the game each and every time before our attacking quality and defensive midfield mindset changes?

Typical plan A Hughes - hope for the best we get lucky ten times out of ten at the back, oh, and shit-or-bust, otherwise.

The defensive planning, alone, from the management structure, is eveidence enough Hughes' message is falling on deaf ears.

And for my fellow blues who continue to state we have only lost one game all season - will you be content enough with that if we finish the season on 40-odd points.

 

[GStar]

Thanks for proving my point.

Since when has 99.9% been everyone and 'most' been 'all'?

oh dear. 99.9% means one person in a thousand understands. presumably that's you. you certainly went on to state that 'those who do are saying he has done a good job', which is another way of saying that those who have been critical do not understand 'what he has done for the club'. it's a stupid argument, circular logic. 'they don't understand because they are critical, because they don't understand'

there are plenty of well informed, soundly reasoned critiques of hughes' efforts. for someone like me who has reservations, but is prepared to be convinced either way, it's very frustrating when all criticism is lumped together as the result of ignorance or impatience. In short, it gets my back up.

If you'd read my posts instead of presuming you'd have seen me say i'm in that 99.9%... But there was a lot of "suggestions" in the papers this and last season.

You've jumped the gun hugely and taken from my posts insinuations that simply weren't there... No wonder theres rarely decent debate on here nowadays, people can't bloody read! The irony is, from what you've said, we have a very similar stance regarding Hughes.

 

[bizzbo]

If you'd read my posts instead of presuming you'd have seen me say i'm in that 99.9%... But there was a lot of "suggestions" in the papers this and last season.

You've jumped the gun hugely and taken from my posts insinuations that simply weren't there... No wonder theres rarely decent debate on here nowadays, people can't bloody read! The irony is, from what you've said, we have a very similar stance regarding Hughes.

I don't think I jumped the gun, and I did read the whole of your post. Your stance might be identical to mine, but it was that specific argument you used to support it that I took issue with. It gets people's backs up, as it is an arrogant way of characterising dissenting views as the result of ignorance. The issues it suggests have also been done to death over the last 12 months, which makes it doubly ironic that you suggest so many people are ignorant. I suggested you withdraw it as, regardless of rest of your postings, regardless of the reasonableness of your stance, it was an unreasonable, unhelpful argument.

 

[BobKowalski]

Oh I think most of us have. Take two contemporary managers. One started managing in 1999 the other in 2000. Both started as managerial novices albeit one started in the higher profile international arena and the other at an unfashionable domestic club in one of the lesser European leagues. Now one of these managers has evolved and progressed to win 14 trophies and the other has won nothing. Zero. Zip. De nada. One of these managers is highly sought after in the European game and the other well just isn't.

Now on your scale of progression, learning curves and evolution which manager out of these two do you think City should hire?

Hardly a relevent question, since we already have hired one of them.

What exactly are you saying, that everyone progresses at the same rate? That anyone who progresses slower should be tossed aside? That we should put all our eggs into one basket, what happens if we hijacked our current managers plans, brought in your hero and he also "failed"... then what?

If we you look at the great managers then yes they tend to make their mark early and by mark I mean winning a major trophy early in their career and by major trophies I am discounting domestic cups.

Their early achievements mark them out as a talent and their talent leads them to achieve. Hughes is often compared to Taggert (and yes Cookie I mean you) whilst forgetting that Taggert broke the old firm monopoly in winning domestic titles plus European honours and he did this in his early 40's. Benitez won the UEFA cup in his early 40's. Hiddinck the European cup, Ancelotti the European Champions league and so on.

Mourinho is an apt comparison because he started his managerial career later than Hughes and after a handful of games for Benfica really started his career at an unfashionable domestic side where he made his mark and then 'progressed' as he 'learnt' and 'evolved'.

I know full well that Hughes ain't going anywhere and I am not a fan of midseason changes in management but Hughes 10 year record does not suggest someone who has either 'progressed', 'learnt' or 'evolved' nor does it compare well with other managers who have actually achieved something.

 

[BobKowalski]

Mr Potato head can win silverware if funds are unlimited (players on the pitch win games not the managers), Hughes will win a trophy soon, relax and enjoy it you Hughes out muppets!

God, some people on here really need their heads pulling out of their arses! Sorry if that offends but I'm fed up of the whining r'tards now......go throw yourselves off a bridge. lol

Then I suggest we employ Mr Potato Head given the manager has no influence on the results on the pitch.

On second thoughts perhaps we already have...

 

[blueinsa]

Sorry but the defense of Hughes is now getting silly when stuff like this is said imo.

I will say it again, the assumption is that Hughes does have the skills to make it and that given time he will win us silverware?

We have nothing to prove or even suggest that. Only time will tell and are we in a position to give him the time? Only our owners have the answer.

Wenger>Hughes all day long and his record proves it.

so now you are saying you too would have wenger over hughes?

Yes.

Tell you what mate, what about Hiddink, would love to hear your views on him ;-)

 

[GStar]

Wenger was managing in Japan when Arsenal snapped him up; he began at Nancy (who were relegated under his guide) ...it took him four years to win a trophy.

We don't need to highlight Fergison's baron spell at the begining of his reign in England.

it took Ancelotti 6 years to win a trophy...

So not all the top managers win trophies right off the bat.

 

[Bill]

so now you are saying you too would have wenger over hughes?

Yes.

Tell you what mate, what about Hiddink, would love to hear your views on him ;-)

a failure, could even get russia to the world cup, they have loads more people to choose from, about 200 million or summat.

 

[GStar]

If you'd read my posts instead of presuming you'd have seen me say i'm in that 99.9%... But there was a lot of "suggestions" in the papers this and last season.

You've jumped the gun hugely and taken from my posts insinuations that simply weren't there... No wonder theres rarely decent debate on here nowadays, people can't bloody read! The irony is, from what you've said, we have a very similar stance regarding Hughes.

I don't think I jumped the gun, and I did read the whole of your post. Your stance might be identical to mine, but it was that specific argument you used to support it that I took issue with. It gets people's backs up, as it is an arrogant way of characterising dissenting views as the result of ignorance. The issues it suggests have also been done to death over the last 12 months, which makes it doubly ironic that you suggest so many people are ignorant. I suggested you withdraw it as, regardless of rest of your postings, regardless of the reasonableness of your stance, it was an unreasonable, unhelpful argument.

I've posted more than once and i've explained what i've said... you're right it probably isn't the best argument. I never suggested anyone was ignorant.

You're probably right that it isn't somethign we need to go over again though.

 

[blueinsa]

Yes.

Tell you what mate, what about Hiddink, would love to hear your views on him ;-)

a failure, could even get russia to the world cup, they have loads more people to choose from, about 200 million or summat.

pmsl....you win mate.

 

[Nils]

That first half performance said it all for me, not the misplaced passes, from both sides, but the fact that our players had clearly been told to sit back and just hoof the ball long to adebayor and absorb any pressure. It was simply shocking and the sort of negative, safety first aspect of hughes and his coaches. Just look at Liverpool's team, a team under pressure, a half fit gerrard and that was it...the poor ngog on his own upfront, the dutch geezer with no end product on the left and the hard working but limited dutch player on the right, two workhorses in midfield, a defensively suspect young left back and an out of form centre half at right back. We should have been at them from the start, forget that it is away from home, play the opposition, not the history, ground , reputation etc...When we did actually score from the disinterested ade, we then upped the tempo and played with the sort of verve which the players are capable of, with both bellamy and swp moving inside to link up play, which is what they should be doing and not waiting for it on the wings as instructed because it won't come to them. Lescott played well, but hang on he wasn't up against anyone and i thought toure was the weakest link until he went off....put him at right back and let ned and lescott form a good partnership in the middle..i'm sure lescott would be happier playing alongside him...and as for bridge, a bridge to far i think..

 

[Rammy Blue]

That first half performance said it all for me, not the misplaced passes, from both sides, but the fact that our players had clearly been told to sit back and just hoof the ball long to adebayor and absorb any pressure. It was simply shocking and the sort of negative, safety first aspect of hughes and his coaches. Just look at Liverpool's team, a team under pressure, a half fit gerrard and that was it...the poor ngog on his own upfront, the dutch geezer with no end product on the left and the hard working but limited dutch player on the right, two workhorses in midfield, a defensively suspect young left back and an out of form centre half at right back. We should have been at them from the start, forget that it is away from home, play the opposition, not the history, ground , reputation etc...When we did actually score from the disinterested ade, we then upped the tempo and played with the sort of verve which the players are capable of, with both bellamy and swp moving inside to link up play, which is what they should be doing and not waiting for it on the wings as instructed because it won't come to them. Lescott played well, but hang on he wasn't up against anyone and i thought toure was the weakest link until he went off....put him at right back and let ned and lescott form a good partnership in the middle..i'm sure lescott would be happier playing alongside him...and as for bridge, a bridge to far i think..

good post mate.

 

[BobKowalski]

Wenger was managing in Japan when Arsenal snapped him up; he began at Nancy (who were relegated under his guide) ...it took him four years to win a trophy.

We don't need to highlight Fergison's baron spell at the begining of his reign in England.

it took Ancelotti 6 years to win a trophy...

So not all the top managers win trophies right off the bat.

Yes it too Wenger 4 years to win the French Ligue 1 title. Previous 3 years at Nancy was his 'learning curve' from which he progressed and progressed very well

Ancelotti had a 6 year 'learning curve' which included a promotion and an intertoto cup along the way. In my view these are minor achievements alongside the big prizes.

You can highlight Taggerts lean spell if you wish since it doesn't detract from the point I was making of real achievements earlier in his career. Great managers achieve and win things - but not every year and not all the time.

I did at no stage say great managers win things 'right off the bat'. There is a 'learning curve' every great manager goes through.

It just doesn't usually stretch to 10 years.

 

[kp789]

A draw away to liverpool is a good result

 

[Neil McNab]

That first half performance said it all for me, not the misplaced passes, from both sides, but the fact that our players had clearly been told to sit back and just hoof the ball long to adebayor and absorb any pressure. It was simply shocking and the sort of negative, safety first aspect of hughes and his coaches. Just look at Liverpool's team, a team under pressure, a half fit gerrard and that was it...the poor ngog on his own upfront, the dutch geezer with no end product on the left and the hard working but limited dutch player on the right, two workhorses in midfield, a defensively suspect young left back and an out of form centre half at right back. We should have been at them from the start, forget that it is away from home, play the opposition, not the history, ground , reputation etc...When we did actually score from the disinterested ade, we then upped the tempo and played with the sort of verve which the players are capable of, with both bellamy and swp moving inside to link up play, which is what they should be doing and not waiting for it on the wings as instructed because it won't come to them. Lescott played well, but hang on he wasn't up against anyone and i thought toure was the weakest link until he went off....put him at right back and let ned and lescott form a good partnership in the middle..i'm sure lescott would be happier playing alongside him...and as for bridge, a bridge to far i think..

Spot on especially regarding Toure, Bridge & tactics.

 

[GStar]

Wenger was managing in Japan when Arsenal snapped him up; he began at Nancy (who were relegated under his guide) ...it took him four years to win a trophy.

We don't need to highlight Fergison's baron spell at the begining of his reign in England.

it took Ancelotti 6 years to win a trophy...

So not all the top managers win trophies right off the bat.

Yes it too Wenger 4 years to win the French Ligue 1 title. Previous 3 years at Nancy was his 'learning curve' from which he progressed and progressed very well

Ancelotti had a 6 year 'learning curve' which included a promotion and an intertoto cup along the way. In my view these are minor achievements alongside the big prizes.

You can highlight Taggerts lean spell if you wish since it doesn't detract from the point I was making of real achievements earlier in his career. Great managers achieve and win things - but not every year and not all the time.

I did at no stage say great managers win things 'right off the bat'. There is a 'learning curve' every great manager goes through.

It just doesn't usually stretch to 10 years.

In the interest of fairness, Mourinho wins when he takes control of an existing title contending team.
Ancelotti won things when he joined Milan, an existing title contending side... not at Juve, another title contending side
Wenger won the title with Monaco, a bigger achievement, but still with a 7 time French league winning team.

Hughes, hasn't ever been given the oppourtunity at a "title contending side"... we're still not one this season, although its another debate as to whether we should be.

Where i personally think Hughes will fall down is that; the great managers seem to breed confidence into their squads, they make sure that, first and foremost, the players enjoy their "job", are able to express themselves and realise their potential. I get the impression Hughes is a bit too regimented in his ways and that he rules with fear as opposed to respect.

 

[City_Gentleman]

Only fair to praise him when there are so many Hughes out threads!

He got everything right today, picked the line up everyone wanted, made some good subs, its not his fault the defense switch off.

Garbage.