bert's broken neck
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I notice BFS didn't mention the money this time! I wonder why? Maybe he will next time (as it will mean we've dicked em!)
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West ham Vs City Post Match Thread
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tolmie's hairdoo
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It is a squad that has sadly started to peak together IMO.
Much as I now detest Mourinho, his comments earlier this week were spot on.
How many of our present players have room for improvement over the next two or three years?
Outside of Silva, Aguero, Jovetic, Hart and Mangala, not that many.
The team lacks the zest and ambition of youth.
I do not envy Pellegrini or the next man in terms of the surgery required to take us forward for the next five years.
Much as I now detest Mourinho, his comments earlier this week were spot on.
How many of our present players have room for improvement over the next two or three years?
Outside of Silva, Aguero, Jovetic, Hart and Mangala, not that many.
The team lacks the zest and ambition of youth.
I do not envy Pellegrini or the next man in terms of the surgery required to take us forward for the next five years.
Blue Hefner
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tolmie's hairdoo said:It is a squad that has sadly started to peak together IMO.
Much as I now detest Mourinho, his comments earlier this week were spot on.
How many of our present players have room for improvement over the next two or three years?
Outside of Silva, Aguero, Jovetic, Hart and Mangala, not that many.
The team lacks the zest and ambition of youth.
I do not envy Pellegrini or the next man in terms of the surgery required to take us forward for the next five years.
That's half a team you've mentioned, more than enough to be getting on with. Kompany also has many years left at the as well as Zabeleta.
My main concern is that the team is slow and it seems to take an age, barring the odd exception to get from one end of the pitch to the other.
The issues we've go now aren't really new, we've had difficulties V physical midtable teams since Mancini was here, remember Southampton away and our regular defeats to Everton.
The team yesterday was exactly what we didn't need, Navas and Clichy aren't physical enough and Mangala and Fernando hadn't played against West Ham before and clearly didn't have the experience of playing against such a physical side. Then add that we played with two upfront with Dzecko not fancying it after ten minutes and it was a recipe for disaster
tolmie's hairdoo said:It is a squad that has sadly started to peak together IMO.
Much as I now detest Mourinho, his comments earlier this week were spot on.
How many of our present players have room for improvement over the next two or three years?
Outside of Silva, Aguero, Jovetic, Hart and Mangala, not that many.
The team lacks the zest and ambition of youth.
I do not envy Pellegrini or the next man in terms of the surgery required to take us forward for the next five years.
I agree the squad needs freshening up a bit, but I don't believe we need major surgery. Barkley Pogba and Reus in with Yaya Navas and Dzeko allowed to seek pastures new would do the trick.
tolmie's hairdoo said:It is a squad that has sadly started to peak together IMO.
Much as I now detest Mourinho, his comments earlier this week were spot on.
How many of our present players have room for improvement over the next two or three years?
Outside of Silva, Aguero, Jovetic, Hart and Mangala, not that many.
The team lacks the zest and ambition of youth.
I do not envy Pellegrini or the next man in terms of the surgery required to take us forward for the next five years.
He's full of shit and I think he's taken you in.
We have 6 players over 30. Most of them are backups like Sagna and Cabaellero. A couple are third choice like Richard Wright. Only Yaya is a first team player.
One the other hand, Chelsea have 5 players over 30. 2 of which are first choice players; John Terry and Ivanovic.
They have no players under 23 who are first team players or anywhere close.
Their average age is fiddled by including kids which will never play in it. The squads are similar in age.
grim up north
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hgblue said:tolmie's hairdoo said:It is a squad that has sadly started to peak together IMO.
Much as I now detest Mourinho, his comments earlier this week were spot on.
How many of our present players have room for improvement over the next two or three years?
Outside of Silva, Aguero, Jovetic, Hart and Mangala, not that many.
The team lacks the zest and ambition of youth.
I do not envy Pellegrini or the next man in terms of the surgery required to take us forward for the next five years.
I agree the squad needs freshening up a bit, but I don't believe we need major surgery. Barkley Pogba and Reus in with Yaya Navas and Dzeko allowed to seek pastures new would do the trick.
What's major surgery then
grim up north said:hgblue said:tolmie's hairdoo said:It is a squad that has sadly started to peak together IMO.
Much as I now detest Mourinho, his comments earlier this week were spot on.
How many of our present players have room for improvement over the next two or three years?
Outside of Silva, Aguero, Jovetic, Hart and Mangala, not that many.
The team lacks the zest and ambition of youth.
I do not envy Pellegrini or the next man in terms of the surgery required to take us forward for the next five years.
I agree the squad needs freshening up a bit, but I don't believe we need major surgery. Barkley Pogba and Reus in with Yaya Navas and Dzeko allowed to seek pastures new would do the trick.
What's major surgery then
Haha, point taken ;).
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I don't entirely agree Mourinho's comments. It's the system that's aged mostly, not the players. We do look predictable and there was even times last year where it was showing. Pellegrini has simply continued on from the same football that Mancini gave us, but with doing that eventually everyone catches on and figures out how to set up against us. I seem to recall when we were playing extremely defensive football under Mancini, we went to Arsenal and got absolutely slaughtered in the media for such "negative" football, we were more or less crawling our way into the top four. Then we evolved and turned into a pretty deadly attacking team, going to Old Trafford and finishing 6-1 and shortly before that going to WHL to win 5-1. The only occasion where we were thwarted was in the CL and that was probably due to lack of experience. Our squad right now should be in it's prime though and having a squad clearout will probably put us back a few years.
The only changes to the side I would make is buying a left back and potentially a winger. It's been a problem for too long at LB now and neither Clichy or Kolarov are good enough for where we want to go.
A change is the system is certainly needed, because right now we're morphing into Arsenal. All possession and nothing coming of it.
The only changes to the side I would make is buying a left back and potentially a winger. It's been a problem for too long at LB now and neither Clichy or Kolarov are good enough for where we want to go.
A change is the system is certainly needed, because right now we're morphing into Arsenal. All possession and nothing coming of it.
tolmie's hairdoo
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Damocles said:tolmie's hairdoo said:It is a squad that has sadly started to peak together IMO.
Much as I now detest Mourinho, his comments earlier this week were spot on.
How many of our present players have room for improvement over the next two or three years?
Outside of Silva, Aguero, Jovetic, Hart and Mangala, not that many.
The team lacks the zest and ambition of youth.
I do not envy Pellegrini or the next man in terms of the surgery required to take us forward for the next five years.
He's full of shit and I think he's taken you in.
We have 6 players over 30. Most of them are backups like Sagna and Cabaellero. A couple are third choice like Richard Wright. Only Yaya is a first team player.
One the other hand, Chelsea have 5 players over 30. 2 of which are first choice players; John Terry and Ivanovic.
They have no players under 23 who are first team players or anywhere close.
Their average age is fiddled by including kids which will never play in it. The squads are similar in age.
Our average squad age is 29.3 according to the reports which accompanied those quotes.
They factored in those players who are just short of 30 such as Kompany and Zab.
And the premise was how many could actually improve with the years they still had left?
I would argue Kompany and Zab will remain consistent, but superior to now, that would be impressive.
tolmie's hairdoo
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hgblue said:tolmie's hairdoo said:It is a squad that has sadly started to peak together IMO.
Much as I now detest Mourinho, his comments earlier this week were spot on.
How many of our present players have room for improvement over the next two or three years?
Outside of Silva, Aguero, Jovetic, Hart and Mangala, not that many.
The team lacks the zest and ambition of youth.
I do not envy Pellegrini or the next man in terms of the surgery required to take us forward for the next five years.
I agree the squad needs freshening up a bit, but I don't believe we need major surgery. Barkley Pogba and Reus in with Yaya Navas and Dzeko allowed to seek pastures new would do the trick.
I like that operation, but that's still major surgery to the tune of £120m in just three players;)
And that's without a proper left back and forthcoming replacements for Vinny and Zab in next few years.
Not as easy as some may think.