Whaley Bridge shooting

[hilts]

A lot of the time you are just sat around waiting. Quite a few of the Jury are usually not interested in events and will just go with the flow. They are more likely to listen to the opinions of their fellow jury members than hold a significant grasp of events and usually sit silently during any discussions

Beats working:-)

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Ah ok, we’re at cross purposes a little bit. The shot in the back incident I was referring to was Tony Martin’s shooting of his intruder in the back in the 90s, which he was convicted of murder, before being lowered to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.

They were running away from him at the time, iirc.



This particular case, nothing is known other than what was described on here anecdotally. He might get off with it if the circumstances dictate. Time will tell, I was merely commenting on the anecdotal evidence on here.

My apologies. I, too, seem to have been mixing the stories.

Thanks for clarifying it for me.

I realize things are different in the UK and USA, but it seems that apart from a Constitutional Right of ownership, the gun laws in the UK are very similar to Illinois’ very restrictive use laws.

No Open Carry.
Concealed Carry locations restrictive.
No Castle Doctrine. (Property protection)
No Stand Your Ground. (Retreat, if possible)
“Threat to life” use only.

Thus, if someone broke into my house and was walking out with a big screen TV, my options are physically trying to stop him/them while calling the police or letting them walk while calling the police. I’m not even supposed to initiate contact that might lead to a physical altercation in which gun use might be considered legal!

The upshot, of course, is that any insurance claim I make raises my rates forever, so it costs me to lose my property and to replace my property.

People are sick and tired of being preyed upon by scrotes and there’s almost no jury that would convict a homeowner who shoots someone in their home.

By the standards of many people, for whom a home invasion is extremely traumatic, once the scrote breaks in, they have given up their rights to be treated in any other way than with prejudice.

Now, running out of your front door* still shooting at them??? In some places that’s legal if they’re still on your property, but in Illinois it is most definitely not!

*And, it means you need more range time!!!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Could not agree more.

Given the unfortunate reaction of this normally law abiding farmer the apparent 3 or 4 robbers would have chosen a different person to steal from.

The mistake they’ve made is repeatedly targeting him and he’s reached the end of his tether and the police have failed him.

Had they only done it once, they’d still be here. They got arrogant and have paid the ultimate price. Fuck them.

The debate about reasonable force will rumble on.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

My apologies. I, too, seem to have been mixing the stories.

Thanks for clarifying it for me.

I realize things are different in the UK and USA, but it seems that apart from a Constitutional Right of ownership, the gun laws in the UK are very similar to Illinois’ very restrictive use laws.

No Open Carry.
Concealed Carry locations restrictive.
No Castle Doctrine. (Property protection)
No Stand Your Ground. (Retreat, if possible)
“Threat to life” use only.

Thus, if someone broke into my house and was walking out with a big screen TV, my options are physically trying to stop him/them while calling the police or letting them walk while calling the police. I’m not even supposed to initiate contact that might lead to a physical altercation in which gun use might be considered legal!

The upshot, of course, is that any insurance claim I make raises my rates forever, so it costs me to lose my property and to replace my property.

People are sick and tired of being preyed upon by scrotes and there’s almost no jury that would convict a homeowner who shoots someone in their home.

By the standards of many people, for whom a home invasion is extremely traumatic, once the scrote breaks in, they have given up their rights to be treated in any other way than with prejudice.

Now, running out of your front door* still shooting at them??? In some places that’s legal if they’re still on your property, but in Illinois it is most definitely not!

*And, it means you need more range time!!!

No worries.

My take on the anecdote is that he’s shot them as they’re about to enter his house again as he was waiting for them.

If that’s wrong, then again, all verdicts are possible.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

This is what my basis of premeditated murder came from. It’s a planned act.

If he goes inside, at least he’ll be treated with respect and left alone.

BUT, no jury in their right mind should convict him. He was being terrorized and responded with a bit of old school rural “shock and awe.” Good for him!

 

[Blue Llama]

Hopefully a jury prepared to ignore judge's summing up and bring in a perverse decision.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

My daughters know these lads.
They broke in the night before and apparently nicked 20k.
Went back the next day to nick his guns so they could Rob a farm not far away that has a big weed grow.
Only thing is they told every fucker they were going back.
The farmer was waiting shot one point blank in the face apparently.
But he's been charged with pre meditated murder.
He had been broken into 17 times in the last 2 years and told the police next time I will shoot them.
He's meant to be a really nice guy .
Little bastards got what they deserved

Funny how there's always drugs involved

 

[ChicagoBlue]

No worries.

My take on the anecdote is that he’s shot them as they’re about to enter his house again as he was waiting for them.

If that’s wrong, then again, all verdicts are possible.

Hopefully, he shot him INSIDE the home and not outside, and in close enough proximity that the scrote (refuse to call him the victim) can reasonably considered a threat.

The age difference, let alone the 3 vs 1, makes the simple act of entering his home a threat to his life in my book. In fact, it’s too bad he only neutralized one of them, as I’m sure the others are models of society, too!

£20K, come back for the guns (and got one!!!) so they could rob a weed farm.

Nice boys, loved by everyone, never a minutes bother…my arse!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Hopefully a jury prepared to ignore judge's summing up and bring in a perverse correct decision.

Fixed it for ya! ;-)

 

[Ducado]

I would imagine the farmer has had plenty of parcels delivered, they tend to knock and holding a parcel is another giveaway.

I don't know all the details but I doubt this chap is a serial parcel delivery man killer.

I was using an example