What has the UK become?

as I pointed out in early 2016 and dozens of times since its Brexit. Leaving the EU means we left the Dublin 3 agreement and became a 3rd country. From that point anyone leaving France to come here ceases to be an EU problem so ask yourself this. If - and at the moment its mostly anecdotal - there are refugees moving from NI to ROI - that is in any way different to boat crossings?
If this was the case then do you think that Ireland should put a border post in NI to help asylum seekers to come and apply for asylum in Ireland?

This is precisely what posters are expecting the UK to do albeit in France... ?

Instead of doing that Ireland are changing their laws to ensure that they can send asylum seekers back...
 
These international obligations do not apply until somebody sets foot on UK soil,

This sentence is wrong because this is not the law. The law requires us to give effect to the provisions of the refugee convention with effect from the moment we signed up to the convention, not just from the point at which any given asylum seeker arrives on UK soil. Making it more difficult for someone to claim asylum is not just inhumane - just actually think about about what that involves - it simply contradicts the treaty obligations we undertook in 1951.
 
If this was the case then do you think that Ireland should put a border post in NI to help asylum seekers to come and apply for asylum in Ireland?

This is precisely what posters are expecting the UK to do albeit in France... ?

Instead of doing that Ireland are changing their laws to ensure that they can send asylum seekers back...

Look up the Free Travel Scheme that is between ROI and UK as part of the GFA - that will enable them to do it
 
Whoa!

You need banning off this thread as your views are 'offensive'. 'Negotiation'?? You grifting Put in supporter! I don't care that you said you didn't support his actions! Zelenskyy and wife needs to grace more magazine covers and get more Oscars!
So he wants banning because you don’t agree with his post! Wow not that is democracy.
 
This sentence is wrong because this is not the law. The law requires us to give effect to the provisions of the refugee convention with effect from the moment we signed up to the convention, not just from the point at which any given asylum seeker arrives on UK soil. Making it more difficult for someone to claim asylum is not just inhumane - just actually think about about what that involves - it simply contradicts the treaty obligations we undertook in 1951.
We are not making it more difficult to claim asylum, there is water between us and the rest of Europe which is the only reason why we haven't taken many more, you can't create a land border to fix this. We are not obligated to go beyond our shores to take refugees and no other country is doing this.

We are also not acting inhumanely, this is impossible to argue when the refugees enter the UK from France where they could claim asylum in a safe place.

Norway for example historically has a very strict immigration system and they accepted just 4000 refugees last year, so are Norway now inhumane too? We actually took more than Finland, Sweden, Iceland or Norway so what are we doing differently that is so bad compared to everybody else?

There is an inhumane argument around the Rwanda agreement which I would agree with but that's another thing. I'm talking about our obligation to accept people and not what happens to somebody who has actually made a claim. Personally for anybody who does arrive here I think we should process them as quickly as possible so that they can be released into wild to start a life and hopefully contribute.
 
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The debate on immigration keeps on raging isnt it?

Here is how i reflect on the matter with the question on hand: as it is, the rich will keep on getting richer and more select, some of the middle class will thrive and some will demote and the poor will become poorer and a larger group at that. This is likely a big part of why people feel there is decline, the analysis of why its happening and likely will continue is complex but in making the analysis and looking for solutions its clear to me that "immigration is the distraction". Afcourse there is rational to how immigration can affect economic and social matters, but in reality it is of marginal influence in the state of affairs, however the longer people waste space and time over talking the matter they arnt really examining the complexity of contemporary issue lest to speak explore creative ideas and potential solutions to it, which favors the elite who do influence politics or even set up cute think thanks that validate their most opportune of ideals to imperiously push on us.

Sorry to say, but most of the contemporary debate on politics is daft and besides the point. What we really need is more people writing books that talk about new methods in we can organise our society's or economies that yield better results for those participating, or by extension people who talk about such matters and are willing to step into the unknown. Granted, occupy wall street atleast was a sizable expression of peoples socio-economic concerns, one that seems to have been stamped down with extra vigor i might add.

I cannot else but get the impression that there are "2 Brittains" in that aspect aswell. One that is rich and coasts on the traditions and achievements of the former empire for as long it can, one that is perhaps poor but has a rich cultural identity expressed for a large part trough a vibrant music culture if i can put it in a extreme shorthand way. When you look at Brexit, you can almost see those fault lines along voting blocks. As it is imho, Brexit is a method for the elite class to further its own interest in ways they think they can achieve while being completely callous to the plight of the many to who it would be a detriment. Its almost a consolidation of power sprung at a opportune moment, as if the people in power had only waited long enough to see if they had driven up anti-Eu sentiment in he UK high enough in the polls to do the oh so democratic "once in a lifetime referendum brought to you by the powers that be".
 

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