Sounds like they all need a change of thinking then. Maybe processing centres outside of their countries would give them more time for planning.How many boats has the EU stopped from coming into Europe via the Mediterranean? Do those European countries now have processing centres in Tunisia, Libya or Algeria? Of course not.
This isn't a unique UK problem and shouldn't be viewed that way. It's a continent wide problem and it just so happens that there is water between the UK and the rest of Europe.
You can absolutely bet that every other EU country would pull up the drawbridge just like we have but they can't because of geography. However, look at Ireland, they can't wait to send migrants back and are changing the law to ensure that they can do so.
A processing centre stops the boats but it will vastly increase the numbers coming which is another problem.
Could you give an example of anyone who has posted this anywhere?All in one paragraph that I agree with, I cannot see the problem with that.
However we always have to have the ability to remove an asylum seeker who has lied or turns out to be a wrong 'un without a busload of blue rinsers gluing themselves to the tarmac.
So far the only solution on the part of us and Europe is ignorance. Other countries such as Germany have no choice because of geography and international laws around claiming asylum. As a result Germany has taken in over 3 million migrants over the last 10 years, could we cope with millions more people in just 10 years?Sounds like they all need a change of thinking then. Maybe processing centres outside of their countries would give them more time for planning.
Ireland is a different issue because of the border issues there.
Perhaps we need to look at not making millions of people resettle and see if we can keep them where they are from by investing in their countries and rebuilding broken infrastructure etc where possible.So far the only solution on the part of us and Europe is ignorance. Other countries such as Germany have no choice because of geography and international laws around claiming asylum. As a result Germany has taken in over 3 million migrants over the last 10 years, could we cope with millions more people in just 10 years?
I don't actually think that there is any solution except deterrence, a processing centre in France is the opposite of deterrence. For me we can only look to process claims faster to reduce costs and hope that being released into the wild here acts as a deterrence. There are schemes like Rwanda but that really doesn't sit well with me.
Investing in other countries comes with its own difficulties because the regimes of these countries hate us. Again look at Afghanistan, does the Taliban in Afghanistan want western investment and influence? Any money that we send to such countries will go straight towards buying weapons to be used against our interests or it will line the pockets of the corrupt. We're more likely to sanction them than help them.Perhaps we need to look at not making millions of people resettle and see if we can keep them where they are from by investing in their countries and rebuilding broken infrastructure etc where possible.
We take very few in comparison with mainland Europe and most of that is because of the difficulty in getting here. It’s hard to get angry about the boats as we’ve created that issue ourselves.
Maybe some form of international agreement about how many each country should take could come in too. Maybe linked to population density?
I have no idea on your last question, probably very few, but I’m not sure we want to change our country into one with their MO, or maybe we do want Reform…Investing in other countries comes with its own difficulties because the regimes of these countries hate us. Again look at Afghanistan, does the Taliban in Afghanistan want western investment and influence? Any money that we send to such countries will go straight towards buying weapons to be used against our interests or it will line the pockets of the corrupt. We're more likely to sanction them than help them.
Iran is a great example of this too, Iran should be an incredible democracy and economic powerhouse in the Middle East but instead it chooses ideology, isolation and poverty. That's why Iranians form another large demographic of people who are trying to get into the UK via the Channel.
The west can have a massive influence on economic development and wellbeing through trade but this doesn't happen because many countries in the Middle East are misaligned with the geopolitics of countries like Russia or China. How many asylum seekers do Russia or China accept per year?
1.6% of the electorate voted Green in 2019, probably mostly to accelerate our transition to 100% renewable energy, rather than what their immigration policy was.
My guess is that @hilts may well have voted Green, without advocating an open border policy.
Are you seriously implying that any of the people arriving by boat could get a visa to fly in like all the second generation immigrant Tory politicians' parents did?Is it?
There were an estimated 125 million passenger arrivals from outside the Common Travel Area (CTA) in the year ending June 2023 (including returning UK residents). This was almost twice (+79%) as many as in the year ending June 2022 (70 million), when UK and global travel restrictions due to the COVID-19 pandemic were still in place. The latest passenger arrivals number is over four-fifths (85%) of the total number of arrivals in 2019 (146 million), the period immediately before the COVID-19 outbreak.
There were 3,287,404 visas granted in the year ending June 2023, 58% higher than the year ending June 2022. This was primarily due to 889,821 (+96%) more grants of visitor visas, but also due to more grants for:
- work visas (including dependants), up 208,295 (+63%) to 538,887
- study visas (including dependants), up 165,968 (+34%) to 657,208, including sponsored and short-term students