Who is the Best All-Around Player England Has Ever Produced?

trouble is on here you can't really give an answer because believe it or not football goes back well over 100 yrs so re phrase the question to the last 70 yrs to get a more definitive answer then at least some of us will still have seen players of the era, in which case i'll go for king colin, great engine, good in the air, great in the tackle, fantastic shot on him, good pace, great finisher, close the thread!
 
SCEtoAUX said:
Gasgoine would be my choice.
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its the romantic choice but he scored about 40 top flight goals in england and about 6 in italy. his club career is of zero notability aside from a free kick against arsenal and his international career has a highlight reel of around 4 decent performances in major tournaments.

the rest of the time he was being a drunk nob.
 
Dobsy said:
come off it mate you can make the comparison but calling Ferguson "lucky", fucking hell.
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Course he was.

Lucky to get 4 years winning nowt!

Lucky to win the PL and benefit from the riches that brought compared to previous years, he and they could outspend everyone and they did.

Lucky the Dippers went into a terminal decline resulting in 30 odd years where they were worse than the previous 20 years.

A lot went his way so yes I'll call him lucky!
 
ysmsa said:
Course he was.

Lucky to get 4 years winning nowt!

Lucky to win the PL and benefit from the riches that brought compared to previous years, he and they could outspend everyone and they did.

Lucky the Dippers went into a terminal decline resulting in 30 odd years where they were worse than the previous 20 years.

A lot went his way so yes I'll call him lucky!
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This is like calling Pep lucky cos he got 7 cracks at the CL before finally winning it. Calling Ferguson a "fraud", Jesus wept. I hated him with the passion that only a child and a teenager who supported his cross town rivals could possess in the 90s and 00s but it's beyond dispute he's one of the great managers.

2 European Cups, 13 league titles, 5 FA Cups and 4 League Cups didn't happen because of luck or fraud. If you genuinely really think that's a reasoned position you're warped.
 
Dobsy said:
This is like calling Pep lucky cos he got 7 cracks at the CL before finally winning it. Calling Ferguson a "fraud", Jesus wept. I hated him with the passion that only a child and a teenager who supported his cross town rivals could possess in the 90s and 00s but it's beyond dispute he's one of the great managers.

2 European Cups, 13 league titles, 5 FA Cups and 4 League Cups didn't happen because of luck or fraud. If you genuinely really think that's a reasoned position you're warped.
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Rag fraud was light hearted banter seems as Pep is continually referred to as a "cheque book manager" fraud or whatever.

A lot went his way and he was allowed to make the most of it.

There are many who believe he chose to step down when the writing was on the wall signalling their dominance was coming to an end.

Fuck him and them.

And btw, both his CL wins were extremely fucking lucky.

A stoppage time win in a game they were second best in and a John Terry slip in a penalty shoot out.
 
bennyboy said:
At what international tournaments have they produced anything of note.
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If that's the case then England hasn't produced anybody since 1966. Which is bollocks.

For example the Germans haven't won the World Cup since 2014 and the Euros since 1996 or something, Doesn't mean they've produced shit in the last 9 years.

Slippy and Shrek are definitely in the conversation when it comes to all round players for England. Phil Foden and John Stones are definitely up there also.
 
dickie davies said:
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Carlton Pogba was French……
 
Bobby Charlton. If he hadn’t been taken off Vs Germany 1970, then England would have won World Cup.
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
I'm too young to have seen Moore or Bell.

In my lifetime I'd certainly have Shearer up there. Fast, two footed, clinical, aggressive and scored free kicks for fun. Great in the air too. If he was around now he'd be the only one able to come close to Haaland.

Gazza was also another who had the lot and he could've been one of the best in the world.

I don't like to say it but Scholes was very good. If we're talking just about England games, Beckham usually delivered.

I think Foden has the potential to be the best though!
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ALL ROUND? So we’re looking at midfielder who has everything…..
 
We've had some incredible players but the FA have been unable to hire a manager capable of tactically producing a team that could win things. The team with Terry, Ferdinand, Lampard, Scholes, Gerrard, Owen, Rooney should have won something.

It's a good question. For me it has to be someone who has produced it for England. Bell therefore misses out despite being one of the greats. Charlton, Moore, Gascoigne, Ashley Cole, Rooney are probably our best ever. Right now we have a very good team but Southgate needs to be able to also let the flair shine through. We've got issues in certain positions, but if he can mould the team ethic with an ability to let the likes of Foden, Grealish and Bellingham thrive then we'll win something in the next 4-6 years.

We all know that he's unlikely to deliver though.

Ashley Cole was a high class defender, probably the best full back we've produced. And Rooney in 2004 despite being a granny shagging rag bastard was absolutely phenomenal. Probably the best an Englishman has ever played in a tournament. Without his injury we win the Euro's in my opinion. He was absolutely destroying the opposition. Better than Gazza in 96.
 
SebastianBlue said:
I think Lampard, overall, was more effective, and thus better.

But I think—when it comes to comprehensive skills and natural ability allowing them to be the most adaptable player England has produced—Stones has the potential to stand alone when all is said and done.

He has played CB, RB, DM, CM, AM, RW (sometimes at various times in a single match), all to a high level.

I genuinely think he could do a job as a target man in a pinch.

He is a prototypal Pep player, if one exists.
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As much as I am in awe of Stones, I do think there's a difference between occupying a position in the pitch for a few minutes and "playing" there

John has done nothing of note wide on the right to back up the statement that he has "played RW to a high level," for example. He's moved into space, received the ball, and looked after it well. He has not driven past the fullback and put a cross on to Haaland's forehead from the byline, or cut inside and curled a shot into the far post. Which is what I would expect from someone playing right-wing to a high level

If he actually played attacking midfield for us, and we depended on him to create chances, I think we'd be pretty disappointed

Yaya Touré is someone who genuinely could (and did) play central defence and attacking midfield. I don't think Stones is quite that, as magnificent as he is
 
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