Why is Quinn in our Hall of Fame ??

[Fame Monster]

Why on earth anyone gives a fuck about the commentary, I'll never know. You might as well get wound up about the advertising boards or the colour of the referee's hair.

 

[Why Always Ste]

Quinn could say 100 positivec omments about City, he'll say one negative comment and he's instantly a Rag on here.

I enjoyed watching him play as a kid, one of the many reasons I'm a Blue.

For me, he can say whatever the fuck he wants to say, I'll remember the good things he did in a Blue shirt.

This isn't to say I have been frustrated at hearing some of the comments he's made... But I can guarantee there's a shitload of Rag scum feeling the same way about Neville and calling him a traitor blahdeblah.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Certain ex-players and managers 'get' City - Shaun Wright-Phillips and Joe Royle being obvious examples, others conspicuously do not - Robbie Fowler and Phil Neal being cases in point.

Whilst I wouldn't put Niall in the latter category, I wouldn't put him in the former one either. I get a sense that he quite likes our club rather than loves it, based on what he says and how he says it.

It's certainly not enough for me to feel there should be some Stalinist re-writing of history ending in his removal from the Hall of Fame; I mean, fuck me, how fucking small time would that look? Seriously?

It does, however, mean that his inclusion in that list has felt a little incongruous, for me at least. I have pretty fond memories of his time as a player and I just find it baffling that anyone who has played for our great club and been held in such affection by its supporters doesn't love it a great deal more than Quinn seems to. His true love in football is clearly Sunderland, a great club admittedly. It's the same feeling I get when a woman fancies one of my mates instead of me. Truly baffling.

Anyway it's his loss.

 

[kismet]

Gordondaviesmousetache I think your analysis is spot on.

I wouldn't want him removed from the HOF, I just wonder how he got in there before such other City greats, I guess it was the voting system at the time. So be it.

 

[petrusha]

Basically Quinn won the vote by City fans for the period in which he played. Every supporter had chance to vote and thousands did. They chose him above others.

The HOF was set up with the aim of ensuring that every generation had chance to pick their heroes, so there were time periods (engineered a little to ensure truly successful periods had more scope for player inclusion) and a judging panel who added 3 wildcards from any time period to the Hall Of Fame. Without the time periods some players, such as Meredith, Doherty, Swift etc. may not have been included.

Views of heroes often change over time. When Rosler left, for example, many fans were extremely negative to him. Now they remember the positive stuff.

I can understand why it was done the way it was, and I support the notion that all eras should be covered. Obviously, Niall was elected without having great competition, whereas someone like poor old Glyn Pardoe (our youngest player, one of our most decorated, gave the club decades of service if you include 20 years as a coach) had a whole parade of legendary figures blocking his way. However, it's inevitable with things of this nature that not everyone will agree with everything that's done.

 

[squirtyflower]

Basically Quinn won the vote by City fans for the period in which he played. Every supporter had chance to vote and thousands did. They chose him above others.

The HOF was set up with the aim of ensuring that every generation had chance to pick their heroes, so there were time periods (engineered a little to ensure truly successful periods had more scope for player inclusion) and a judging panel who added 3 wildcards from any time period to the Hall Of Fame. Without the time periods some players, such as Meredith, Doherty, Swift etc. may not have been included.

Views of heroes often change over time. When Rosler left, for example, many fans were extremely negative to him. Now they remember the positive stuff.

I can understand why it was done the way it was, and I support the notion that all eras should be covered. Obviously, Niall was elected without having great competition, whereas someone like poor old Glyn Pardoe (our youngest player, one of our most decorated, gave the club decades of service if you include 20 years as a coach) had a whole parade of legendary figures blocking his way. However, it's inevitable with things of this nature that not everyone will agree with everything that's done.

That could be overcome if players were inducted based on long service as well as a vote

 

[pedigreeblue]

It's interesting what a google search (last 24hrs)of Niall Quinn throws up, mainly manure fans slagging him off for being biased towards City (pre Liverpool game). I wonder if he has been googling himself !

As for being a legend, he was certainly one of the best target men of his generation and a pleasure to watch, those are the memories I like to cling on to.

 

[petrusha]

Certain ex-players and managers 'get' City - Shaun Wright-Phillips and Joe Royle being obvious examples, others conspicuously do not - Robbie Fowler and Phil Neal being cases in point.

Whilst I wouldn't put Niall in the latter category, I wouldn't put him in the former one either. I get a sense that he quite likes our club rather than loves it, based on what he says and how he says it.

It's certainly not enough for me to feel there should be some Stalinist re-writing of history ending in his removal from the Hall of Fame; I mean, fuck me, how fucking small time would that look? Seriously?

It does, however, mean that his inclusion in that list has felt a little incongruous, for me at least. I have pretty fond memories of his time as a player and I just find it baffling that anyone who has played for our great club and been held in such affection by its supporters doesn't love it a great deal more than Quinn seems to. His true love in football is clearly Sunderland, a great club admittedly. It's the same feeling I get when a woman fancies one of my mates instead of me. Truly baffling.

Anyway it's his loss.

A lot of it is down to what happened to him at the two clubs, I think. Quinn's early time at City was extremely successful, both for him personally and the club, but there were a lot of ups and downs after that. At Sunderland, it was all relatively plain sailing. Therefore, at City, the fans were pretty restless for large parts of his time here. At Sunderland, the fans swept the team along on a tide of great fervour as they returned to the top division and had their most successful spell in a generation. Not surprising that he preferred the latter, really.

 

[petrusha]

That could be overcome if players were inducted based on long service as well as a vote

I personally would have a vote for half, and a panel deciding for half based on an assessment of the value of the service of the people in question. That way, you'd get the popular players but also unsung heroes who might lose out in a fans' vote.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Certain ex-players and managers 'get' City - Shaun Wright-Phillips and Joe Royle being obvious examples, others conspicuously do not - Robbie Fowler and Phil Neal being cases in point.

Whilst I wouldn't put Niall in the latter category, I wouldn't put him in the former one either. I get a sense that he quite likes our club rather than loves it, based on what he says and how he says it.

It's certainly not enough for me to feel there should be some Stalinist re-writing of history ending in his removal from the Hall of Fame; I mean, fuck me, how fucking small time would that look? Seriously?

It does, however, mean that his inclusion in that list has felt a little incongruous, for me at least. I have pretty fond memories of his time as a player and I just find it baffling that anyone who has played for our great club and been held in such affection by its supporters doesn't love it a great deal more than Quinn seems to. His true love in football is clearly Sunderland, a great club admittedly. It's the same feeling I get when a woman fancies one of my mates instead of me. Truly baffling.

Anyway it's his loss.

A lot of it is down to what happened to him at the two clubs, I think. Quinn's early time at City was extremely successful, both for him personally and the club, but there were a lot of ups and downs after that. At Sunderland, it was all relatively plain sailing. Therefore, at City, the fans were pretty restless for large parts of his time here. At Sunderland, the fans swept the team along on a tide of great fervour as they returned to the top division and had their most successful spell in a generation. Not surprising that he preferred the latter, really.

It's hard to disagree with what you've posted there.

It's still his loss though :-)