Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[Blue Heaven]

Exactly.

The boards silence hasn't helped the matter. I've heard rumours he's staying and going, nothing concrete. I personally believe we are compiling a list of potential replacements and will see how things are in the summer. IMO he needs the FA Cup to at least have protection.

We have been through this though a million times nip
Most blues want him to have another season,which i would say is a big percentage
Some want him gone at all cost for anyone,and i mean anyone
Others only want him gone for an upgrade,fair enough
And maybe some will take a gamble on an up and coming manager,as i know thats your option.

Every great manager started somewhere. I'd ask what our future strategy is, I'd ask what system needs to be deployed and I'd ask what type of personnel was being brought in. I'd then bring in a coach to fit the 3 criterias mentioned.

IMO De Boer is the best young coach in the world right now, or one of them. He's a punt never the less. Then you have Simeone too but isn't as good a fit as De Boer. Pellegrini would get us playing more attacking and would better us in Europe imo but he's hardly a proven elite manager, he needs somehwere to prove that and Real sacked him too soon for my money. Unless we get Klopp, Jose or Ancelotti it's going to be a punt no matter what we do. As you know as a professional gambler, we must make an informed, educated and calculated gamble.

Mancini has failed to get the best out of what he has and expecting an influx of cash every summer isn't the way we will be run by the looks of it. Getting the most out fo what we have is paramount, of that there is no denying. Hand on heart can any 'inner' say Mancini has scraped the very last bit out the barrel in regards to oiur squad? I don't think so, in fact I know so.

Looking back at the decision-making history of Txiki and Soriano at Barca, they won't necessarily be looking for a huge name as a replacement. I think Nip is correct, in that they will want someone who is a great trainer (Klopp, de Boer, etc.), has experience or at least great understanding of Barca style formation and play, and has proven willing to incorporate academy talent in the senior set-up, as appropriate.

 

[NipHolmes]

The win at the swamp tells me he does get it right. And as for deadwood,yes its his deadwood but Dzeko, kolarov,& garcia etc all came with decent CV's..

Those players weren't bought to fit a system though imo. This is where it falls down. Mancini may have been burdended by Hughes but he's burdened himelf too. Honest to god Sam I've knwon Maicons been shot for 2 years now, I said so in the summer, it was shocking that champions of England bought a declining player like that. For what he's done we may as well saved the fee and wages and used to lower FFP, to the tune of £8mill believe it or not!

Like has been said on here numerous times before..

Do you really think the likes of Rodders, maicon, garcia and sinclair were bobs prefered targets ??

Oh please !!

Ok here's some honesty.

Rodwell, perma crock, could have told Bobby this in the summer.

Maicon, has been shot 2 years before coming to us.

Garcia, bang average and was made to look better because of Witsel. He's a competent palyer but not a top player, too slow and pedestrian.

Sinclair, brought in because of his nationality and position, a proper sub option, why we didn't keep Weiss instead and save the cash I do not know.

The above makes no odds Sam, we had to sell before we bought and if nobody was buying at rates we wanted then thinsg were always going to be tough. Mancini was shopping with a champaign taste on a shandy budget and unless we sold players on his list was never going to come off. His lack of foresight in the above should not be a reason for him to stay quite frankly, he wanted top end players when we had a budget and restriction to prevent it from happening. We have the largest wage bill in our league and unless we made room everything else was impossible. Mancini should've known this and worked with this. Why not bite the tongue for a season, get players in good form and start them and sell them this summer for example. We'd have gotten a better proce and he'd have helped himself in the process. He hasn;'t been failed by the board, he failed to understand and comprehend our limits last summer.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Those players weren't bought to fit a system though imo. This is where it falls down. Mancini may have been burdended by Hughes but he's burdened himelf too. Honest to god Sam I've knwon Maicons been shot for 2 years now, I said so in the summer, it was shocking that champions of England bought a declining player like that. For what he's done we may as well saved the fee and wages and used to lower FFP, to the tune of £8mill believe it or not!

Like has been said on here numerous times before..

Do you really think the likes of Rodders, maicon, garcia and sinclair were bobs prefered targets ??

Oh please !!

The first two were 100% Mancini targets I can assure you. And if players don't want to come here or the financials aren't right then that's no one's fault.

But Mancini could have had RVP if he'd agreed to sell Balotelli, as the owners told him to. But he dug his heels in and refused so the deal that had been agreed for six months fell through. And then he has to sell Balotelli anyway six months later.

And we reportedly gave up on the Hazard negotiations when everyone in the organization, including Bobby himself, agreed that the club would not pay Hazard's agent his demanded fee of 6 million (which Roman reportedly did pay).

 

[samharris]

Those players weren't bought to fit a system though imo. This is where it falls down. Mancini may have been burdended by Hughes but he's burdened himelf too. Honest to god Sam I've knwon Maicons been shot for 2 years now, I said so in the summer, it was shocking that champions of England bought a declining player like that. For what he's done we may as well saved the fee and wages and used to lower FFP, to the tune of £8mill believe it or not!

Like has been said on here numerous times before..

Do you really think the likes of Rodders, maicon, garcia and sinclair were bobs prefered targets ??

Oh please !!

Bobby is a long-time admirer of Rodwell, who may turn out to be an excellent buy for us if he can overcome his hamstring issue. Maicon was his player at Inter, and Bobby may have wanted him for CL experience and because he at least has a history playing right wing-back in a 3-5-2. Garcia was a highly-rated destroyer at Benfica. For various reasons, they haven't worked out well. To imply they were chosen by Marwood, not Bobby, is something of a leap, I would think.

I did say prefered targets and I didnt say owt about Marwood.

well Zin seems to think so and hes tolmies Brother, so has better connections to the club than us tbh.

Maicon has hardly played and our defence isnt our problem, Rodders has more injuries than crocky, Garcia hasnt been as bad as many make out,but could be better, Sinclair ?? well less said there the better...

 

[waspish]

Those players weren't bought to fit a system though imo. This is where it falls down. Mancini may have been burdended by Hughes but he's burdened himelf too. Honest to god Sam I've knwon Maicons been shot for 2 years now, I said so in the summer, it was shocking that champions of England bought a declining player like that. For what he's done we may as well saved the fee and wages and used to lower FFP, to the tune of £8mill believe it or not!

Like has been said on here numerous times before..

Do you really think the likes of Rodders, maicon, garcia and sinclair were bobs prefered targets ??

Oh please !!

The first two were 100% Mancini targets I can assure you. And if players don't want to come here or the financials aren't right then that's no one's fault.

But Mancini could have had RVP if he'd agreed to sell Balotelli, as the owners told him to. But he dug his heels in and refused so the deal that had been agreed for six months fell through. And then he has to sell Balotelli anyway six months later.

Think your right there Mancini love for Balotelli blinded him on the right decision what needed to be done

 

[Blue Heaven]

Like has been said on here numerous times before..

Do you really think the likes of Rodders, maicon, garcia and sinclair were bobs prefered targets ??

Oh please !!

Bobby is a long-time admirer of Rodwell, who may turn out to be an excellent buy for us if he can overcome his hamstring issue. Maicon was his player at Inter, and Bobby may have wanted him for CL experience and because he at least has a history playing right wing-back in a 3-5-2. Garcia was a highly-rated destroyer at Benfica. For various reasons, they haven't worked out well. To imply they were chosen by Marwood, not Bobby, is something of a leap, I would think.

I did say prefered targets and I didnt say owt about Marwood.

well Zin seems to think so and hes tolmies Brother, so has better connections to the club than us tbh.

Maicon has hardly played and our defence isnt our problem, Rodders has more injuries than crocky, Garcia hasnt been as bad as many make out,but could be better, Sinclair ?? well less said there the better...

I don't disagree with most of your assessments of these players, Sam. However, if they were not Marwood's choices, then they had to be Bobby's. Chairman al-Mubarak and then CEO McBeath certainly weren't picking out our targets, were they?

 

[NipHolmes]

Like has been said on here numerous times before..

Do you really think the likes of Rodders, maicon, garcia and sinclair were bobs prefered targets ??

Oh please !!

The first two were 100% Mancini targets I can assure you. And if players don't want to come here or the financials aren't right then that's no one's fault.

But Mancini could have had RVP if he'd agreed to sell Balotelli, as the owners told him to. But he dug his heels in and refused so the deal that had been agreed for six months fell through. And then he has to sell Balotelli anyway six months later.

Think your right there Mancini love for Balotelli blinded him on the right decision what needed to be done

This is what will harm Mancini. Everytime he moans about RVP they can point at Balotelli and say 'you made a rod for your own back'. Balotelli is meant to be 'lie a son' to Mancini, he was awful this season for us and as soon as he leaves he performs, that will not go in Bobbys favour either.

 

[samharris]

Those players weren't bought to fit a system though imo. This is where it falls down. Mancini may have been burdended by Hughes but he's burdened himelf too. Honest to god Sam I've knwon Maicons been shot for 2 years now, I said so in the summer, it was shocking that champions of England bought a declining player like that. For what he's done we may as well saved the fee and wages and used to lower FFP, to the tune of £8mill believe it or not!

Like has been said on here numerous times before..

Do you really think the likes of Rodders, maicon, garcia and sinclair were bobs prefered targets ??

Oh please !!

Ok here's some honesty.

Rodwell, perma crock, could have told Bobby this in the summer.

Maicon, has been shot 2 years before coming to us.

Garcia, bang average and was made to look better because of Witsel. He's a competent palyer but not a top player, too slow and pedestrian.

Sinclair, brought in because of his nationality and position, a proper sub option, why we didn't keep Weiss instead and save the cash I do not know.

The above makes no odds Sam, we had to sell before we bought and if nobody was buying at rates we wanted then thinsg were always going to be tough. Mancini was shopping with a champaign taste on a shandy budget and unless we sold players on his list was never going to come off. His lack of foresight in the above should not be a reason for him to stay quite frankly, he wanted top end players when we had a budget and restriction to prevent it from happening. We have the largest wage bill in our league and unless we made room everything else was impossible. Mancini should've known this and worked with this. Why not bite the tongue for a season, get players in good form and start them and sell them this summer for example. We'd have gotten a better proce and he'd have helped himself in the process. He hasn;'t been failed by the board, he failed to understand and comprehend our limits last summer.

The reason he should stay is that even with these idiot players,we are probably going to come second and win the FA cup.. Thats a good reason to keep him.

He has said he knows where he went wrong and is going to fix it.. give him one more season to find out... if not fuck him off..

I think all the inners would echo my statement.

 

[blueinsa]

The assumption that Bob has been handed a squad of players he didn't want is just fucking ludicrous.

80+ mins of one of the worst displays from a footballer I've ever witnessed (Dzeko) followed by Lescott up front with Garcia, Aguero and Sinclair on the bench suggests to me that no more money should be forthcoming i'm afraid.

 

[samharris]

We all want the same mate.. its just that many on here believe that Bob( with the transfer targets he wants) will rip this league apart.. he didnt get his targets last season..If we had denied the scum RVP ( who Bob wanted) who do you think would be top of the prem right now ??

Bobs next level is to get rid of the deadwood and bring in class to replace them..
When he gets it right he gets it right, we were dominating yesterday yet our subs were inferior to spuds.. had we had silva and Aguero yesterday we may well have done them by more than last year,such was our dominance.

But it's HIS deadwood. Then his replacements this summer will be next summer's deadwood.

Also not sure that the 'when he gets it right, he gets it right' argument works. On a similar note, 'when he gets it wrong, he gets it wrong.'

Dzeko, Nasri, Kolarov all rumored to be off, and they were players Bobby insisted on. Unfortunately, he never figured out how to properly deploy them. Why did he want them so badly in the first place?

Do you really need to ask that question tbh ??