Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[BlueAnorak]

5 Champ League campaigns, 1 QTR Final with Inter.
Just a thought....

I wish the rags had been so understanding with Red Nose.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Hi Inter fan here.

I am not against City, also I dont support City, but there are strong feeling in Europe that City was one of teams being favourite to win the CL after bayern, Barca, Real and maybe Chelsea after Abramovich spent money again. (And has bigger chance than Arsenal or United as league position has a say in it generally.) City dissapointed in CL it is clear. (Dortmund is a big surprise after last year, but they are really really good.)

And thats why I signed up here I try to give you what was the problem with Mancini at Inter.


His CL record will be his end.

His Inter CL record: always went trough from group stages with us but it was expected given Inter's strenghts and the oppenets in groups (like Inter-Fenerbahce-PSV-CSKA Moscow group or Inter-Rangers-Porto-Bratislava).

From year to year in knockout rounds:

2005: 1/4 finals, Ancelotti' Milan, our city rival, pretty big loss, 0-2 loss first leg, then 0-3 second leg, with 5-0 aggregated result over two matches Milan went trough, Milan went to the finals later and there they lost to Benítez's Pool (hahahahahahaha, from 3-0 up).

2006: 1/4 finals, Pellegrini's Villarreal they reached semfinals wit win over Inter, only lost to Arsenal
(It was dissapointing as there were hopes to make it right after last years horrible loss vs. Milan, and Villarreal really did not have stars…)

2007: 1/8 finals, Valencia They then instantly lost to Chelsea next round, another dissapointing CL season, Valencia was alright with Silva and Villa upfron that time, but Inter was leading in the league we had like 24-3-0 record and Roma had 15 points less with 10 matches before the end we were winning the league basically in March. And the hopes were very high in CL and he failed to beat Valencia, news from his firing started after this season, evenif he won the league with 22 points lead in may 2007, with Lazio on third place was about 30+ points worse.

2008: 1/8 finals, Benítez's Liverpool ,they reached semifinals

Do I have to continue? Liverpool were good in England this year, they had some good players Gerrard, Xabi A, Maschearano, Torres, but we had Figo, Ibra, Vieira, Maicon, Cambiasso etc. and Mancini lost both legs (0-1 and 0-2) of this fight.
So basically he never lost to a team that won the CL later which could have been a little bit excuse for us, "look they won the whole thing,how could we beat them?"

The bad thing is naybe Milan had a better squad in 2005 than Inter but Villarreal, Valencia and Liverpool did not have better squad (or more expensive squads) than Inter in those years.

Mancini went into these knockout matches like Inter with 60-65% favourite all the time except vs. Milan in 2005. (But still Milan-Inter 2-0 then Inter -Milan 0-3 in second leg area humiliating results between city rivals in CL. Imagine if you go trough this year and meet United later on, and them winning 2-0 at home then 3-0 in your stadium, pfff.)

Even if our team was a little bit favourite he came short against Pellegrini, Benítez and Quqie Flores's Valencia. Pretty much being found out tactically. He knew everything about Serie A, he could win that without problem. (Also truth is that Juventus going Serie B helped a lot as it was impossible for to win the league unitl they were in Serie A as it turned out it was maybe because of their matchfixing.:D And we signed their stars Vieria, Ibra instantly :D)

So Moratti (our owner) wanted CL results from Mancini and all we got was 1/4 finals first year, 1/4 finals second year, then only 1/8 finals third years, and 4th time when patience was really running out and he could save his job with a big CL results at least a semifinals he lost to Benítez's Pool that year in 1/8 finals.
Not a single semifinals in 4 years with a strong squad.

Improving in the CL is not what Mancini did at Inter in 4 years. But won us leagues with biggest rival being AS Roma. The only reason he doesnt won the league easily or wont win it esily at City this time because he has harder rivals with better squads than that Romas was under Spalletti.

The most important question for City how important is CL to your owners?
To get good results in CL, to be a team that is feared and respected (for the results you have instead of the big transfer prices and wages you can give!) in Europe not just in England.
They will have to get a new manager for CL success, or really go out shit on FFP and get those world class players Mancini wants. A De Rossi wont be enough alone for you. The difference between Bayern, Real, Dortmund and City is not a De Rossi. A lot more than that.

CL is about:
Pace, tactics, right subs, right changes in the match, finding a mistake in the opponents's play and exploit it as soon as you can, discipline, determination and being able to adapt to your opponent and of yourse fair amount of luck also etc. Thats what was exploited with us by the rival coaches under Mancini. And thats what changed in 2010 when Mourinho won us the CL. He found those weaknesses in our play changed in them 1 year, then next time he found them in Barca, in Bayern and we won it finally.

For you it was Heynckes, Mazzari, De Boer, Mourinho, Klopp all found ways to beat City.

Only the names are different from Pellegrini, Benítez, Ancelotti, Quique Flores who found ways to beat us.

Mancini is not different he is still the same. Good in the league, simply not good enough in CL. Same as at Inter.

To say something good about him he put down some of basics for Mourinho.Thats what he did at City too. I see you complain a lot about his tactics. You shouldn as at Inter he tried everything with Ibra. You have 4 great strikers. We had Ibra mainly is later years under Mancini and it was if Ibra scores we win, if Ibra is bad we dont win.
Ibra never won CL, he is cursed thats why we never won CL with Mancini.:)

We sold Ibra after Mourinho's first year to Barca. In 2009 they won CL. Thn we sel them Ibra. We win it instantly in 2010. Barca sells Ibra 2010 summer to Milan. Barca wins again in the season after that in 2011.:)
Ibra avoided CL wins perfectly.

So when Ibra was king Inter was king, but when Ibra had a bad day we suffered as the tactics was Ibra has to solve it on his own but Mancini put behind him a very massive team that rarely conceded in the league. So tha same no concede score one and you win is MAncini's favourite thing in the world.

He would win a match 1-0 instead of 5-2.
:))

All in all I think it is just question of the time Man City owners give their squad to a manager that is good in CL. Group stage exits are pretty bad results from Mancini with full of players like Yaya toure, Tevez, Silva, Kompany, MAicon, Mario, Dzeko, Agüero. Even 1/8 finals would be bad with these players.

Stronger squad than Chelsea and they won it ast year. This year they made Cl exit now and manager was fired.

Thanks for posting. Nice to have an Inter fan's opinion.

if he show an evidence to be an italian inter fan i will cut my cock . i swear.

I'd prefer you start with your fingers and then proceed to your vocal cords...trust me, the world would be a safer and saner place...

 

[chesterbells]

Only rags would want Mancini sacked ........
SO keep your eyes open and wise up ..don't eat the bait

There's not a United fan alive who wouldn't shit himself if we hired Mourinho...

Then they'd realise we'd be no threat to them in two or three years time as we'd drop down the league a little bit after he left to manage Bayern München.

"After he left", mate they all leave at some point. Life goes on and we'd go through the process of recruiting the best available candidate; what's the problem??

 

[hgblue]

Only rags would want Mancini sacked ........
SO keep your eyes open and wise up ..don't eat the bait

There's not a United fan alive who wouldn't shit himself if we hired Mourinho...

Then they'd realise we'd be no threat to them in two or three years time as we'd drop down the league a little bit after he left to manage Bayern München.

Despite him stating on numerous occasions that he wants his next job to be a long term project and in England?

 

[The Future's Blue]

Thanks for posting. Nice to have an Inter fan's opinion.

if he show an evidence to be an italian inter fan i will cut my cock . i swear.

I'd prefer you start with your fingers and then proceed to your vocal cords...trust me, the world would be a safer and saner place...

Regardless of your personal thoughts of the poster, he has a genuine point. The author of that post written it in an attempt to show an Inter fans point of view. Also, the author states that it will be Mancini's downfall and it is his genuine opinion that we will do nothing until we change our manager for one of the proven coaches.

Now, that is all well and good and I thought it was a really good post, until, that is, he/she made the school boy error, and showed to me anyway, that it was nothing more than another subversive attempt to blacken our current manager.

To quote the loss, as Mancio picked up, as just a 3-0 loss, was schoolboy. If Inter were my club and I was stating the facts I'd still want to put the truth across, as not to belittle my clubs acheivements. The author clearly did not know his club, Mancio picked it up, the post was therefore not an Inter fans view of Mancini but some mischievous attempt to besmirch our manager.

 

[Mancio]

if he show an evidence to be an italian inter fan i will cut my cock . i swear.

I'd prefer you start with your fingers and then proceed to your vocal cords...trust me, the world would be a safer and saner place...

Regardless of your personal thoughts of the poster, he has a genuine point. The author of that post written it in an attempt to show an Inter fans point of view. Also, the author states that it will be Mancini's downfall and it is his genuine opinion that we will do nothing until we change our manager for one of the proven coaches.

Now, that is all well and good and I thought it was a really good post, until, that is, he/she made the school boy error, and showed to me anyway, that it was nothing more than another subversive attempt to blacken our current manager.

To quote the loss, as Mancio picked up, as just a 3-0 loss, was schoolboy. If Inter were my club and I was stating the facts I'd still want to put the truth across, as not to belittle my clubs acheivements. The author clearly did not know his club, Mancio picked it up, the post was therefore not an Inter fans view of Mancini but some mischievous attempt to besmirch our manager.

 

[Anonymous]

There's not a United fan alive who wouldn't shit himself if we hired Mourinho...

Then they'd realise we'd be no threat to them in two or three years time as we'd drop down the league a little bit after he left to manage Bayern München.

Despite him stating on numerous occasions that he wants his next job to be a long term project and in England?

I don't think you can trust a word the fella says in all honesty. But then again, that's the case with everyone in football I guess!

 

[DD]

Huge game for Mancini tomorrow. I got the distinct feeling in Dortmund that a significant proportion of our fans are finally starting to see through him. His tactics degenerated into an abomination once again and there is only so long that we are going to continue to grind out results in the Premier League in spite of him.

If we win and go back to the top, he'll be flavour of the month again, but if we lose and go six points behind, then I think he is on borrowed time. It might sound harsh when we are unbeaten but our embarrassing Champions League form, the Balotelli obsession and the fact that he is simply not getting anything like 100% from a squad that is good enough to win the league comfortably, is all adding up to create a big problem in the making.

I reckon somebody like Jürgen Klopp would get an extra 20% out of the players and we'd be damned near untouchable.

It's a pivotal game and, for the greater good, defeat might not be such a bad thing, in my opinion. It won't stop me backing them to the hilt tomorrow, for all we all want is success, but success would be achieved more easily with the right man in charge.

I have seen much evidence to suggest that the players are not entirely happy with his methods. Can all 20 odd of them be wrong and him be right? We'd have walked the league last year and this year with an infinitely better squad of players than the opposition but we didn't and we won't. For me, that is down to a manager who doesn't improve the players, he merely maintains them, if he doesn't downgrade them.

 

[simon23]

Win or Lose tomorrow, win or lose the league, RM neds to be kept as manager for the forseeable future (the length of his contract)

The self styled special one would only be a temporary manager.....a few years, a few trophies and he would be off again...plus on a personnel level I thiknk he is more deploreable than ferguson.

We are in the process still of building a new piece of history for the club, new facilities, new CEO and behind the scenes staff etc. A change of manager would just disrupt the process we are making. We have to remember that process isnt always linear as well...it can go in steps where you go up a bit, then stall a little, but then after a while you go up again....maybe this season is our stall after 2-3 years of big improvements...(maybe it wont be!)...and if it is we need to just carry on.....

how long is it since wenger won something...I know finally the arsenal fans in the last couple fo seasons are starting to get frustrated with him and some want him gone but overall they have remained very patient...

we are famed for our patience with the club overall as fans....maybe that should be now turned to the manager (where we havent been so in the past)

RM has started to build somehting...he should be given the length of his contract at least to see how that goes and if we can continue to be successful under him.

we dont want to be like chelski and i know others will hate this but in terms of management we need to be more like utd and keep faith in the manager.

 

[simon23]

Huge game for Mancini tomorrow. I got the distinct feeling in Dortmund that a significant proportion of our fans are finally starting to see through him. His tactics degenerated into an abomination once again and there is only so long that we are going to continue to grind out results in the Premier League in spite of him.

If we win and go back to the top, he'll be flavour of the month again, but if we lose and go six points behind, then I think he is on borrowed time. It might sound harsh when we are unbeaten but our embarrassing Champions League form, the Balotelli obsession and the fact that he is simply not getting anything like 100% from a squad that is good enough to win the league comfortably, is all adding up to create a big problem in the making.

I reckon somebody like Jürgen Klopp would get an extra 20% out of the players and we'd be damned near untouchable.

It's a pivotal game and, for the greater good, defeat might not be such a bad thing, in my opinion. It won't stop me backing them to the hilt tomorrow, for all we all want is success, but success would be achieved more easily with the right man in charge.

I have seen much evidence to suggest that the players are not entirely happy with his methods. Can all 20 odd of them be wrong and him be right? We'd have walked the league last year and this year with an infinitely better squad of players than the opposition but we didn't and we won't. For me, that is down to a manager who doesn't improve the players, he merely maintains them, if he doesn't downgrade them.

how to put more (uneeded) pressure on your own manager/team before an important game.......well done!!!!!

ridiculous....with ideas like this we are showing that we are turning into chelski (and not event their fans wanted to see the last changge of managers!!)......are you roman abramovic!!!!

see through his tactics? - are you a pro manager?

are you not satisfied that we didnt win the league because we didnt stroll it?...that is pure arrogance and disregarding the other 19 teams in the league who were probably fighting tooth and nail for one reason or another.

and he has improved players.......zabba, richards, kompany, hart, mario, .....all better.....

you could even argue tevez has added something different to his game. clichy is playing better than he was at arsenal, yaya....press thought he was a purely holding midfielder ...mancini showed them he wasnt!!!!!