Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

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BillyShears said:
I've no idea to be honest. Mancini's a relatively young manager and I've no doubt one day he'll take a team to win the CL.

Yep, me too. Wouldn't be surprised to see him do it the year after he leaves us if we let him go because of his record in Europe. He strikes me as the kind of guy that will take all of this criticism to heart and work harder and harder until he achieves it.
 
DD said:
Huge game for Mancini tomorrow. I got the distinct feeling in Dortmund that a significant proportion of our fans are finally starting to see through him. His tactics degenerated into an abomination once again and there is only so long that we are going to continue to grind out results in the Premier League in spite of him.

If we win and go back to the top, he'll be flavour of the month again, but if we lose and go six points behind, then I think he is on borrowed time. It might sound harsh when we are unbeaten but our embarrassing Champions League form, the Balotelli obsession and the fact that he is simply not getting anything like 100% from a squad that is good enough to win the league comfortably, is all adding up to create a big problem in the making.

I reckon somebody like Jürgen Klopp would get an extra 20% out of the players and we'd be damned near untouchable.

It's a pivotal game and, for the greater good, defeat might not be such a bad thing, in my opinion. It won't stop me backing them to the hilt tomorrow, for all we all want is success, but success would be achieved more easily with the right man in charge.

I have seen much evidence to suggest that the players are not entirely happy with his methods. Can all 20 odd of them be wrong and him be right? We'd have walked the league last year and this year with an infinitely better squad of players than the opposition but we didn't and we won't. For me, that is down to a manager who doesn't improve the players, he merely maintains them, if he doesn't downgrade them.

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BillyShears said:
jay_mcfc said:
BillyShears said:
The fact you and Mancio have picked up on this one nuance in a post of that length, to try and question the integrity of the poster, says more about you two and your irrational defensiveness of Mancini.

I have a question, and it's one I genuinely do not know the answer too except for Mourinho and Ferguson. How does Mancini's first 6 seasons of Champions League management compare with other big name managers? How many of the other top managers have won it within 6 opportunities?

I've no idea to be honest. Mancini's a relatively young manager and I've no doubt one day he'll take a team to win the CL.



Guardiola won it twice in his first four years.
 
jay_mcfc said:
BillyShears said:
The fact you and Mancio have picked up on this one nuance in a post of that length, to try and question the integrity of the poster, says more about you two and your irrational defensiveness of Mancini.

I have a question, and it's one I genuinely do not know the answer too except for Mourinho and Ferguson. How does Mancini's first 6 seasons of Champions League management compare with other big name managers? How many of the other top managers have won it within 6 opportunities?

Pep, Ancellotti, Capello, Jupp Heynckes, Del Bosque, Lippi, Hitzfeld at least 3 would have won it twice.
 
Corky said:
jay_mcfc said:
BillyShears said:
The fact you and Mancio have picked up on this one nuance in a post of that length, to try and question the integrity of the poster, says more about you two and your irrational defensiveness of Mancini.

I have a question, and it's one I genuinely do not know the answer too except for Mourinho and Ferguson. How does Mancini's first 6 seasons of Champions League management compare with other big name managers? How many of the other top managers have won it within 6 opportunities?

Pep, Ancellotti, Capello, Jupp Heynckes, Del Bosque, Lippi, Hitzfeld at least 3 would have won it twice.
lol
 
OB1 said:
BillyShears said:
jay_mcfc said:
I have a question, and it's one I genuinely do not know the answer too except for Mourinho and Ferguson. How does Mancini's first 6 seasons of Champions League management compare with other big name managers? How many of the other top managers have won it within 6 opportunities?

I've no idea to be honest. Mancini's a relatively young manager and I've no doubt one day he'll take a team to win the CL.



Guardiola won it twice in his first four years.

That's the thing though ... every situation is unique. Guardiola inherited incredible raw materials to work with. Plus actually winning knock out competitions is as much about luck as anything else.

The situation Mancini inherited was pretty amazing, but it wasn't the Barcelona situation. I think we all agreed back then the City job was the most exciting and arguably the best in world football, but it still needed building.
 
Barcelona were pretty close to the finished article when Pep took over. He just had to apply the final touches. To win the CL twice in your first 4 attempts is great, but there is definitely a * next to it.
 
OB1 said:
BillyShears said:
jay_mcfc said:
I have a question, and it's one I genuinely do not know the answer too except for Mourinho and Ferguson. How does Mancini's first 6 seasons of Champions League management compare with other big name managers? How many of the other top managers have won it within 6 opportunities?

I've no idea to be honest. Mancini's a relatively young manager and I've no doubt one day he'll take a team to win the CL.



Guardiola won it twice in his first four years.


di matteo won it at his first chance. he must be the best manager ever
 
jay_mcfc said:
Corky said:
Pep, Ancellotti, Capello, Jupp Heynckes, Del Bosque, Lippi, Hitzfeld at least 3 would have won it twice.

Within their firs 6 attempts? It's pretty good going if so.

Yep it would have been - v Gaal too is a big name, Ajax in 95 I suppose.

There could be more.
 
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