Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[jay_mcfc]

It's quite a tricky comparison to make actually. I was just looking at Ancelotti who's first managerial job came in '95 and he won the CL in '03. So it was in his 8th year as a manager but only his third or fourth attempt in the CL.

Edit: Capello won it for the first time in his 6th or 7th season with Milan, after being bankrolled by Berlusconi and having players like Ruud Gullit, Van Basten, Baresi and Maldini.

 

[TFC]

Barcelona were pretty close to the finished article when Pep took over. He just had to apply the final touches. To win the CL twice in your first 4 attempts is great, but there is definitely a * next to it.

Not a poke at you Jay in any way, but I just wanted to point out that people often mention Mancini's 3 scudettos when they are making an argument about what a good manager he is, but theres a big * knocking about there also.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Not a poke at you Jay in any way, but I just wanted to point out that people often mention Mancini's 3 scudettos when they are making an argument about what a good manager he is, but theres a big * knocking about there also.

No arguments from me there fella.

 

[Labatt Blue]

Huge game for Mancini tomorrow. I got the distinct feeling in Dortmund that a significant proportion of our fans are finally starting to see through him. His tactics degenerated into an abomination once again and there is only so long that we are going to continue to grind out results in the Premier League in spite of him.

If we win and go back to the top, he'll be flavour of the month again, but if we lose and go six points behind, then I think he is on borrowed time. It might sound harsh when we are unbeaten but our embarrassing Champions League form, the Balotelli obsession and the fact that he is simply not getting anything like 100% from a squad that is good enough to win the league comfortably, is all adding up to create a big problem in the making.

I reckon somebody like Jürgen Klopp would get an extra 20% out of the players and we'd be damned near untouchable.

It's a pivotal game and, for the greater good, defeat might not be such a bad thing, in my opinion. It won't stop me backing them to the hilt tomorrow, for all we all want is success, but success would be achieved more easily with the right man in charge.

I have seen much evidence to suggest that the players are not entirely happy with his methods. Can all 20 odd of them be wrong and him be right? We'd have walked the league last year and this year with an infinitely better squad of players than the opposition but we didn't and we won't. For me, that is down to a manager who doesn't improve the players, he merely maintains them, if he doesn't downgrade them.

how to put more (uneeded) pressure on your own manager/team before an important game.......well done!!!!!

ridiculous....with ideas like this we are showing that we are turning into chelski (and not event their fans wanted to see the last changge of managers!!)......are you roman abramovic!!!!

see through his tactics? - are you a pro manager?

are you not satisfied that we didnt win the league because we didnt stroll it?...that is pure arrogance and disregarding the other 19 teams in the league who were probably fighting tooth and nail for one reason or another.

and he has improved players.......zabba, richards, kompany, hart, mario, .....all better.....

you could even argue tevez has added something different to his game. clichy is playing better than he was at arsenal, yaya....press thought he was a purely holding midfielder ...mancini showed them he wasnt!!!!!

Agree with Simon here, that post by DD is nothing short of embarassing. I strongly believe that we are underperforming right now Mancini must fix this just like he did at the end of last season. I think he will and we will retain the title. CL is another thing..can he get it right, time will tell..maybe.

DD don't bother us with 'he makes other players worse' just because of either some dislike of him or a general hysteria that you go about with

 

[John.des]

It's totally strange to come up with Fergie, Wenger etc. CL experience.
Or of it isnt then look at Malaga, PSG how to you go into second stage of CL with a squad after invested a lot of money in it. You would say but their group was easier.
But their squad isnt better than our far from it. Malaga squad is as weaker than ours as their group was easdier than ours. Still it is their first year of CL ever no experience in it. Even lost Cazorla for cheap money because of financial trouble.
(btw Pellegrini is their manager that is mentioned above for beating Mancini's Inter and that Villarreal team was a very good organized team in CL with a few stars maybe Riquelme and Senna and players like this.)

What is clear that Mancini was 7 times in CL he as 7 years of experience in CL now.

Chelsea was in CL semifinals in 2004 if you remember. With bloody Ranieri!Did Chelsea had much CL experience in 2004? Not really...
Next year with Mourinho they topped a Chelsea, Porto, CSKA, PSG group comfortably. Then went on to beat Barca in an extraordinary tie winning 4-2 at Stamford Bridge, then they beat Bayern too and then they only lost to the CL winner that year later vs. Pool with Benítez, btw what a fucking squad Pool had in that year? compared to ours this year?

We can come up with all the excuses for Mancini's CL record but that clearly arent excuses for teams like Inter/City after investments they had by Moratti/Mansour. It's sad he cant reach good results in CL at all. Actually he still didnt have any good season in CL. Out of 7 times.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I don't agree that he makes players worse. In fact I might even say the opposite and I suspect Mancini is a very good coach.

But other than that, I don't really have any issues with anything DD said and its a pretty fair assessment imho. I do think we had the squad and the star players to have walked it last season and we didn't. Perhaps partly because of that old git at the swamp who manages to get a quart out of a pint pot with his assembly of old men, crocked men and plain dross. But the fact it was so close is not entirely down to them overperforming, if they did at all. We should have won it comfortably in my view.

Anyone who doubts this should take a long hard look at how Dortmund played in their last 6 CL games. When did you last see us play like that, if ever? And why not? Is it the players fault? All of them? Or maybe, just maybe, are we not getting the best out of them? And if we are not, whose responsibility is it, and what's the excuse?

Like DD, all I want is success for my club. And I like Mancini - he's got bags of charisma and seems like a nice bloke (although those on the receiving end of his "cold shoulder" - Adam Johnson, Adebayor etc - might not think he is so nice). I want him to lead us to more successes and bigger successes.

But I am struggling to see that he is the answer for us for the next 3 to 5 years. Maybe he is, but I can't see it at the moment. Up to the end of last season, he'd done a decent if unspectacular job. Even without great new signings in the summer, I was saying we would be a massively better team this year and we would win the league at a canter because we now have the monkey off our backs and we have another year of team building under our belt.

But we haven't kicked on at all, have we. We are clearly not playing anything like as well as we did last year, which is disappointing and concerning.

 

[moomba]

Lets bring in Di Matteo if we're going to value champions league success and ignore all other achievements.

Personally I'm not too bothered by what Mancini did with Inter in the champions league, I'm more concerned with what he's going to do with us next time around. I think after two "failures" in the comp the expectations will be very high and we will need to get out of the groups next season without question.

But being able to bring us success in the champions league is just one aspect of what we're looking for in a manager.

 

[Rammy Blue]

It's a pivotal game and, for the greater good, defeat might not be such a bad thing, in my opinion.

Hang your head in shame.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

I agree if everyone is using stats
Di mateo is the greatest manager ever lived.

 

[Berkovic_blue]

Lets bring in Di Matteo if we're going to value champions league success and ignore all other achievements.

Personally I'm not too bothered by what Mancini did with Inter in the champions league, I'm more concerned with what he's going to do with us next time around. I think after two "failures" in the comp the expectations will be very high and we will need to get out of the groups next season without question.

But being able to bring us success in the champions league is just one aspect of what we're looking for in a manager.

Spot on, every single word.

I find it hard to care too much about the CL at the moment, and since when did our fans start to think we should be bossing it after 2 years?

No one is denying we've been cack but some are losing sight of the mitigating circumstances. None of the English clubs would've got out of our group this year, I know that's not a FACT but no one can seriously argue against it.

The domestic league always comes first and from where I'm sitting we're doing fine.

As far as the CL goes, we'd have to be very unlucky to get a group as bad as that again and I am very confident Mancini can get us doing better. Inter qualified from the group every season he was there at least. Also I think some people forget that we have virtually no European pedigree, being in pot 2 or 3 from the outset does mean it's a more difficult challenge, so have a little bit of patience and cut him some slack.

 

[yerwot?]

this thread needs an 'expert' to point out the differences in CL football, and the domestic version, and why RM cannot cope. "No good in Europe" is too loose, needs flesh on the bones for us novices

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

this thread needs an 'expert' to point out the differences in CL football, and the domestic version, and why RM cannot cope. "No good in Europe" is too loose, needs flesh on the bones for us novices

Do the stats not sum it up for you?

 

[Berkovic_blue]

this thread needs an 'expert' to point out the differences in CL football, and the domestic version, and why RM cannot cope. "No good in Europe" is too loose, needs flesh on the bones for us novices

Do the stats not sum it up for you?

Do they tell you WHY?

 

[Mancio]

this thread needs an 'expert' to point out the differences in CL football, and the domestic version, and why RM cannot cope. "No good in Europe" is too loose, needs flesh on the bones for us novices

well.... maybe i'm expert enough for to try to explain to you the big difference that there is between league football and cups football. now we can say that mancini has shown to be good for leagues football having won both serie a and epl , but it seem he's not good enough to understand the cups football , well... apart from the cups he won with fiorentina , lazio , inter and city

now someone will say that domestic cups football is different from european cups football , of course , and maybe there will be someone that will explain that when city struggled against juventus and napoli it was becouse mancini doesnt understand italian football

 

[The Future's Blue]

Regardless of your personal thoughts of the poster, he has a genuine point. The author of that post written it in an attempt to show an Inter fans point of view. Also, the author states that it will be Mancini's downfall and it is his genuine opinion that we will do nothing until we change our manager for one of the proven coaches.

Now, that is all well and good and I thought it was a really good post, until, that is, he/she made the school boy error, and showed to me anyway, that it was nothing more than another subversive attempt to blacken our current manager.

To quote the loss, as Mancio picked up, as just a 3-0 loss, was schoolboy. If Inter were my club and I was stating the facts I'd still want to put the truth across, as not to belittle my clubs acheivements. The author clearly did not know his club, Mancio picked it up, the post was therefore not an Inter fans view of Mancini but some mischievous attempt to besmirch our manager.

The fact you and Mancio have picked up on this one nuance in a post of that length, to try and question the integrity of the poster, says more about you two and your irrational defensiveness of Mancini.

No it doesn't, what it says is that the integrity of a poster is questioned when they don't have all the facts. I noticed your good self defended the post to be an accurate statement, yet it wasn't.

What it also fails to say is that Inter topped their group on 2 occassions and on another he Inter came second behind Bayern. The first season seen them win 4 and draw 2 in the groups before beating Porto, the current CL holders in the last 16. In the quarters, they would have actually been beaten by AC at the time the game was called off but it is something you would remember well as an Inter fan, surely. The AC team were also one that had just beaten United to get into the Milan Derby, before they went onto the final and were beaten in sensational style by Liverpool.

Would you like me to go on?

 

[moomba]

I don't know why we bother to buy players if the difference between success and failure in Europe is just down to whether the manager is "good enough" for Europe or not.

Our results from the last two years (success and otherwise) are down to a combination of things, although it seems that when things go well it's because we have the players, when they don't all the blame goes on the manager.

 

[Damocles]

Huge game for Mancini tomorrow. I got the distinct feeling in Dortmund that a significant proportion of our fans are finally starting to see through him. His tactics degenerated into an abomination once again and there is only so long that we are going to continue to grind out results in the Premier League in spite of him.

If we win and go back to the top, he'll be flavour of the month again, but if we lose and go six points behind, then I think he is on borrowed time. It might sound harsh when we are unbeaten but our embarrassing Champions League form, the Balotelli obsession and the fact that he is simply not getting anything like 100% from a squad that is good enough to win the league comfortably, is all adding up to create a big problem in the making.

I reckon somebody like Jürgen Klopp would get an extra 20% out of the players and we'd be damned near untouchable.

It's a pivotal game and, for the greater good, defeat might not be such a bad thing, in my opinion. It won't stop me backing them to the hilt tomorrow, for all we all want is success, but success would be achieved more easily with the right man in charge.

I have seen much evidence to suggest that the players are not entirely happy with his methods. Can all 20 odd of them be wrong and him be right? We'd have walked the league last year and this year with an infinitely better squad of players than the opposition but we didn't and we won't. For me, that is down to a manager who doesn't improve the players, he merely maintains them, if he doesn't downgrade them.

You're a fucking disgrace.

 

[Anonymous]

Regardless of your personal thoughts of the poster, he has a genuine point. The author of that post written it in an attempt to show an Inter fans point of view. Also, the author states that it will be Mancini's downfall and it is his genuine opinion that we will do nothing until we change our manager for one of the proven coaches.

Now, that is all well and good and I thought it was a really good post, until, that is, he/she made the school boy error, and showed to me anyway, that it was nothing more than another subversive attempt to blacken our current manager.

To quote the loss, as Mancio picked up, as just a 3-0 loss, was schoolboy. If Inter were my club and I was stating the facts I'd still want to put the truth across, as not to belittle my clubs acheivements. The author clearly did not know his club, Mancio picked it up, the post was therefore not an Inter fans view of Mancini but some mischievous attempt to besmirch our manager.

The fact you and Mancio have picked up on this one nuance in a post of that length, to try and question the integrity of the poster, says more about you two and your irrational defensiveness of Mancini.

No it doesn't, what it says is that the integrity of a poster is questioned when they don't have all the facts. I noticed your good self defended the post to be an accurate statement, yet it wasn't.

What it also fails to say is that Inter topped their group on 2 occassions and on another he Inter came second behind Bayern. The first season seen them win 4 and draw 2 in the groups before beating Porto, the current CL holders in the last 16. In the quarters, they would have actually been beaten by AC at the time the game was called off but it is something you would remember well as an Inter fan, surely. The AC team were also one that had just beaten United to get into the Milan Derby, before they went onto the final and were beaten in sensational style by Liverpool.

Would you like me to go on?

You can go on all day if you like mate. Nothing changes the facts. The facts weren't incorrect in his post. You can spin them all day and all you do is continue to show an unnerving amount of defensiveness about Mancini.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

Huge game for Mancini tomorrow. I got the distinct feeling in Dortmund that a significant proportion of our fans are finally starting to see through him. His tactics degenerated into an abomination once again and there is only so long that we are going to continue to grind out results in the Premier League in spite of him.

If we win and go back to the top, he'll be flavour of the month again, but if we lose and go six points behind, then I think he is on borrowed time. It might sound harsh when we are unbeaten but our embarrassing Champions League form, the Balotelli obsession and the fact that he is simply not getting anything like 100% from a squad that is good enough to win the league comfortably, is all adding up to create a big problem in the making.

I reckon somebody like Jürgen Klopp would get an extra 20% out of the players and we'd be damned near untouchable.

It's a pivotal game and, for the greater good, defeat might not be such a bad thing, in my opinion. It won't stop me backing them to the hilt tomorrow, for all we all want is success, but success would be achieved more easily with the right man in charge.

I have seen much evidence to suggest that the players are not entirely happy with his methods. Can all 20 odd of them be wrong and him be right? We'd have walked the league last year and this year with an infinitely better squad of players than the opposition but we didn't and we won't. For me, that is down to a manager who doesn't improve the players, he merely maintains them, if he doesn't downgrade them.

What a load of shite!

 

[The Future's Blue]

Huge game for Mancini tomorrow. I got the distinct feeling in Dortmund that a significant proportion of our fans are finally starting to see through him. His tactics degenerated into an abomination once again and there is only so long that we are going to continue to grind out results in the Premier League in spite of him.

If we win and go back to the top, he'll be flavour of the month again, but if we lose and go six points behind, then I think he is on borrowed time. It might sound harsh when we are unbeaten but our embarrassing Champions League form, the Balotelli obsession and the fact that he is simply not getting anything like 100% from a squad that is good enough to win the league comfortably, is all adding up to create a big problem in the making.

I reckon somebody like Jürgen Klopp would get an extra 20% out of the players and we'd be damned near untouchable.

It's a pivotal game and, for the greater good, defeat might not be such a bad thing, in my opinion. It won't stop me backing them to the hilt tomorrow, for all we all want is success, but success would be achieved more easily with the right man in charge.

I have seen much evidence to suggest that the players are not entirely happy with his methods. Can all 20 odd of them be wrong and him be right? We'd have walked the league last year and this year with an infinitely better squad of players than the opposition but we didn't and we won't. For me, that is down to a manager who doesn't improve the players, he merely maintains them, if he doesn't downgrade them.

You're a fucking disgrace.

I must admit, I had similar thoughts myself.