Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You see, none of those who think we can't do better than their beloved Bobby Manc ever come with a reason why he is so good bar "he's dead ace because he won us the league and cup".

With the resources and players we had, that is hardly the greatest achievement in football. Lesser managers could easily have done the same. Better managers certainly would have.

Does he get the best out of his players? I don't think he does. After all this time we should be a settled side and playing well on a consistent basis. We're not, in fact we've hardly played well all season, and we got over the finishing line last season only because individuals did their bit in spite of some of the utterly bollocks tactics that were being introduced in certain games.

When we have the squad we have, we should go out there asking questions of all teams because we are the better team. We have the better players! Even crap teams we respect far too much as we piss about 'feeling them out', then we play teams at home and take our best striker on the day off instead of the worst one because we need to defend corners. Has anyone ever thought that the difference between 0 and 1 is half of that between 1 and 3? Being undefeated is balls all use when the rivals have more points, and that's what could kill us this year; the obsession with not losing instead of gambling on wins.

The players do not look happy with the tactics and they don't look happy with the manager. If you think otherwise, bully for you, but a 4-0 win tomorrow won't change that.

I'll ask you this. And you've got to be honest with yourself here rather than just throwing back "I know hundreds, because they're, like, dead clever and you're dead thick". How many supporters of other top clubs in Europe would swap their manager for Mancini? Where I live is a serious mixed bag of supporters of other clubs, who I talk to on a regular basis. I've only met one person who actually rates him.

City have the Shiekh, his millions and his players to thank for those cup wins far more than the manager. Our manager flunked that league last year and only United's surprising collapse and the sheer will to win from the players on the last day of the season changed that.

If Sergio Aguero had stuck one shot of a football over the bar, Mancini wouldn't be here now and no-one would be complaining. Of course, in the spirit of fairness, you can certainly say the same stroke of luck went Ferguson's way in 1990, but Ferguson didn't have circa £300 million's worth of a fantasy football league team to play with at that time. He had Ralph Milne and Mike Phelan amongst a sprinkling of quality. We have a squad packed with world class players, and one that plays like a sea of individuals that carry us through because of that class, rather than a galvanised unit that looks impressive.

Where would be this season if it hadn't have been for that individual will to win scoring us late goals?

Mancini is hardly the worst manager we have ever had, but we're not kicking around the bottom half of the table or lower divisions now. If we want to improve in Europe and maintain our position in this country, then we need to kick on to the next level. Mancini's tinkering, his stifling tactics and his continued choice of the wrong personnel for the wrong games is holding us back. It's costing us vital points and rarely winning them.

If we win the league, all well and good, and that would make me most happy out of all the possibilities here, but if he doesn't, then he's a dead man and you know it. We haven't got trigger happy owners but they'll spot a team going backwards when they see one. Our European performances this season, and managerial tactics in those games, have been an abomination and it's cost us a shit load of money. The owners will look at us and ask if we are improving, standing still or going backwards. If they see either of the latter two then he will go and, at this moment in time, win or lose tomorrow, looking at the bigger picture, we look a considerable way further behind Europe's best than we did a year ago.

 

[DD]

You see, none of those who think we can't do better than their beloved Bobby Manc ever come with a reason why he is so good bar "he's dead ace because he won us the league and cup".

With the resources and players we had, that is hardly the greatest achievement in football. Lesser managers could easily have done the same. Better managers certainly would have.

Does he get the best out of his players? I don't think he does. After all this time we should be a settled side and playing well on a consistent basis. We're not, in fact we've hardly played well all season, and we got over the finishing line last season only because individuals did their bit in spite of some of the utterly bollocks tactics that were being introduced in certain games.

When we have the squad we have, we should go out there asking questions of all teams because we are the better team. We have the better players! Even crap teams we respect far too much as we piss about 'feeling them out', then we play teams at home and take our best striker on the day off instead of the worst one because we need to defend corners. Has anyone ever thought that the difference between 0 and 1 is half of that between 1 and 3? Being undefeated is balls all use when the rivals have more points, and that's what could kill us this year; the obsession with not losing instead of gambling on wins.

The players do not look happy with the tactics and they don't look happy with the manager. If you think otherwise, bully for you, but a 4-0 win tomorrow won't change that.

I'll ask you this. And you've got to be honest with yourself here rather than just throwing back "I know hundreds, because they're, like, dead clever and you're dead thick". How many supporters of other top clubs in Europe would swap their manager for Mancini? Where I live is a serious mixed bag of supporters of other clubs, who I talk to on a regular basis. I've only met one person who actually rates him.

City have the Shiekh, his millions and his players to thank for those cup wins far more than the manager. Our manager flunked that league last year and only United's surprising collapse and the sheer will to win from the players on the last day of the season changed that.

If Sergio Aguero had stuck one shot of a football over the bar, Mancini wouldn't be here now and no-one would be complaining. Of course, in the spirit of fairness, you can certainly say the same stroke of luck went Ferguson's way in 1990, but Ferguson didn't have circa £300 million's worth of a fantasy football league team to play with at that time. He had Ralph Milne and Mike Phelan amongst a sprinkling of quality. We have a squad packed with world class players, and one that plays like a sea of individuals that carry us through because of that class, rather than a galvanised unit that looks impressive.

Where would be this season if it hadn't have been for that individual will to win scoring us late goals?

Mancini is hardly the worst manager we have ever had, but we're not kicking around the bottom half of the table or lower divisions now. If we want to improve in Europe and maintain our position in this country, then we need to kick on to the next level. Mancini's tinkering, his stifling tactics and his continued choice of the wrong personnel for the wrong games is holding us back. It's costing us vital points and rarely winning them.

If we win the league, all well and good, and that would make me most happy out of all the possibilities here, but if he doesn't, then he's a dead man and you know it. We haven't got trigger happy owners but they'll spot a team going backwards when they see one. Our European performances this season, and managerial tactics in those games, have been an abomination and it's cost us a shit load of money. The owners will look at us and ask if we are improving, standing still or going backwards. If they see either of the latter two then he will go and, at this moment in time, win or lose tomorrow, looking at the bigger picture, we look a considerable way further behind Europe's best than we did a year ago.

That's actually, imo, a relatively reasonable post however you've blown any credibility you may have wished to have with your nonsense comment about "losing tomorrow being for the best".

It 'might' be for the best in the long run. I never said I actually really want us to lose. I certainly don't. A defeat by Watford in the Cup would do it better!:)

And that is an absolute staple reply that you have come up with to feebly justify yourself to the public when, in reality, you haven't got any reasoned response to my points.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You see, none of those who think we can't do better than their beloved Bobby Manc ever come with a reason why he is so good bar "he's dead ace because he won us the league and cup".

With the resources and players we had, that is hardly the greatest achievement in football. Lesser managers could easily have done the same. Better managers certainly would have.

Does he get the best out of his players? I don't think he does. After all this time we should be a settled side and playing well on a consistent basis. We're not, in fact we've hardly played well all season, and we got over the finishing line last season only because individuals did their bit in spite of some of the utterly bollocks tactics that were being introduced in certain games.

When we have the squad we have, we should go out there asking questions of all teams because we are the better team. We have the better players! Even crap teams we respect far too much as we piss about 'feeling them out', then we play teams at home and take our best striker on the day off instead of the worst one because we need to defend corners. Has anyone ever thought that the difference between 0 and 1 is half of that between 1 and 3? Being undefeated is balls all use when the rivals have more points, and that's what could kill us this year; the obsession with not losing instead of gambling on wins.

The players do not look happy with the tactics and they don't look happy with the manager. If you think otherwise, bully for you, but a 4-0 win tomorrow won't change that.

I'll ask you this. And you've got to be honest with yourself here rather than just throwing back "I know hundreds, because they're, like, dead clever and you're dead thick". How many supporters of other top clubs in Europe would swap their manager for Mancini? Where I live is a serious mixed bag of supporters of other clubs, who I talk to on a regular basis. I've only met one person who actually rates him.

City have the Shiekh, his millions and his players to thank for those cup wins far more than the manager. Our manager flunked that league last year and only United's surprising collapse and the sheer will to win from the players on the last day of the season changed that.

If Sergio Aguero had stuck one shot of a football over the bar, Mancini wouldn't be here now and no-one would be complaining. Of course, in the spirit of fairness, you can certainly say the same stroke of luck went Ferguson's way in 1990, but Ferguson didn't have circa £300 million's worth of a fantasy football league team to play with at that time. He had Ralph Milne and Mike Phelan amongst a sprinkling of quality. We have a squad packed with world class players, and one that plays like a sea of individuals that carry us through because of that class, rather than a galvanised unit that looks impressive.

Where would be this season if it hadn't have been for that individual will to win scoring us late goals?

Mancini is hardly the worst manager we have ever had, but we're not kicking around the bottom half of the table or lower divisions now. If we want to improve in Europe and maintain our position in this country, then we need to kick on to the next level. Mancini's tinkering, his stifling tactics and his continued choice of the wrong personnel for the wrong games is holding us back. It's costing us vital points and rarely winning them.

If we win the league, all well and good, and that would make me most happy out of all the possibilities here, but if he doesn't, then he's a dead man and you know it. We haven't got trigger happy owners but they'll spot a team going backwards when they see one. Our European performances this season, and managerial tactics in those games, have been an abomination and it's cost us a shit load of money. The owners will look at us and ask if we are improving, standing still or going backwards. If they see either of the latter two then he will go and, at this moment in time, win or lose tomorrow, looking at the bigger picture, we look a considerable way further behind Europe's best than we did a year ago.

That's actually, imo, a relatively reasonable post however you've blown any credibility you may have wished to have with your nonsense comment about "losing tomorrow being for the best".

It 'might' be for the best in the long run. I never said I actually really want us to lose. I certainly don't. A defeat by Watford in the Cup would do it better!:)

And that is an absolute staple reply that you have come up with to feebly justify yourself to the public when, in reality, you haven't got any reasoned response to my points.

Your mask has slipped. Best to bow out gracefully.

 

[Damocles]

You see, none of those who think we can't do better than their beloved Bobby Manc ever come with a reason why he is so good bar "he's dead ace because he won us the league and cup".

With the resources and players we had, that is hardly the greatest achievement in football. Lesser managers could easily have done the same. Better managers certainly would have.

Does he get the best out of his players? I don't think he does. After all this time we should be a settled side and playing well on a consistent basis. We're not, in fact we've hardly played well all season, and we got over the finishing line last season only because individuals did their bit in spite of some of the utterly bollocks tactics that were being introduced in certain games.

When we have the squad we have, we should go out there asking questions of all teams because we are the better team. We have the better players! Even crap teams we respect far too much as we piss about 'feeling them out', then we play teams at home and take our best striker on the day off instead of the worst one because we need to defend corners. Has anyone ever thought that the difference between 0 and 1 is half of that between 1 and 3? Being undefeated is balls all use when the rivals have more points, and that's what could kill us this year; the obsession with not losing instead of gambling on wins.

The players do not look happy with the tactics and they don't look happy with the manager. If you think otherwise, bully for you, but a 4-0 win tomorrow won't change that.

I'll ask you this. And you've got to be honest with yourself here rather than just throwing back "I know hundreds, because they're, like, dead clever and you're dead thick". How many supporters of other top clubs in Europe would swap their manager for Mancini? Where I live is a serious mixed bag of supporters of other clubs, who I talk to on a regular basis. I've only met one person who actually rates him.

City have the Shiekh, his millions and his players to thank for those cup wins far more than the manager. Our manager flunked that league last year and only United's surprising collapse and the sheer will to win from the players on the last day of the season changed that.

If Sergio Aguero had stuck one shot of a football over the bar, Mancini wouldn't be here now and no-one would be complaining. Of course, in the spirit of fairness, you can certainly say the same stroke of luck went Ferguson's way in 1990, but Ferguson didn't have circa £300 million's worth of a fantasy football league team to play with at that time. He had Ralph Milne and Mike Phelan amongst a sprinkling of quality. We have a squad packed with world class players, and one that plays like a sea of individuals that carry us through because of that class, rather than a galvanised unit that looks impressive.

Where would be this season if it hadn't have been for that individual will to win scoring us late goals?

Mancini is hardly the worst manager we have ever had, but we're not kicking around the bottom half of the table or lower divisions now. If we want to improve in Europe and maintain our position in this country, then we need to kick on to the next level. Mancini's tinkering, his stifling tactics and his continued choice of the wrong personnel for the wrong games is holding us back. It's costing us vital points and rarely winning them.

If we win the league, all well and good, and that would make me most happy out of all the possibilities here, but if he doesn't, then he's a dead man and you know it. We haven't got trigger happy owners but they'll spot a team going backwards when they see one. Our European performances this season, and managerial tactics in those games, have been an abomination and it's cost us a shit load of money. The owners will look at us and ask if we are improving, standing still or going backwards. If they see either of the latter two then he will go and, at this moment in time, win or lose tomorrow, looking at the bigger picture, we look a considerable way further behind Europe's best than we did a year ago.

That's actually, imo, a relatively reasonable post however you've blown any credibility you may have wished to have with your nonsense comment about "losing tomorrow being for the best".

It 'might' be for the best in the long run. I never said I actually really want us to lose. I certainly don't. A defeat by Watford in the Cup would do it better!:)

And that is an absolute staple reply that you have come up with to feebly justify yourself to the public when, in reality, you haven't got any reasoned response to my points.

I've got reasoned responses to your points. I just don't think they deserve reasoned responses because they're extremist and daft. I don't take your opinion seriously therefore I find it hard to motivate myself enough to tell you why you're wrong, I expect you to already know.

Most of your post was drivel. Some of it was uninformed, other bits were cliche without backing, others were logical fallacies such as the argument from populus that you poted earlier, some of them are ad-hoc fallacies.

To cut it short, I recognise your post is almost laughably bad reasoning and so do that many others that I see no need to correct you.

 

[DD]

You say someone like Jürgen Klopp would get an extra 20% out of the players? What if someone like Jürgen Klopp didn't? Would you wish us to lose the league again so we can get the next manager in who you think is the right man for the job?

Mancini has won us the F.A cup, the league and the charity shield.... 3 trophies in 3 years make do with that seeing as 3 years ago we had fuck all for 35 years!

Champions league I'll admit he has let us down THIS season last season even though we didn't qualify we ended on 10 points which pretty much on 99% of the occasion would get you through to the last 32....

Again, the point is missed. Did we win the things because of Mancini or in spite of him? I think the latter.

What if Klopp did no better? Well I'd be surprised in terms of getting the best out of his players. I'd be flabbergasted if he talked about every game as if we were playing superiors, and I'd be dumbfounded if he pissed about with tactics and team selections in the same manner, but I take your point. I'm sure we would be unhappy then too.

However, the point that "I want us to lose the league" is absurd. My whole point here is that I am convinced Mancini will lose it us, as he damned nearly did last season. I want us to win it and I want us to carry on winning it, and that's why I'm looking beyond the pale.

We could do better than Mancini, and we could have a manager that does far better with his players. Nearly everyone sees it outside of City and that isn't because "they all hate us because we've got loads of money and they're all mean, nasty and horrible men!"<br /><br />-- Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:36 pm --<br /><br />

That's actually, imo, a relatively reasonable post however you've blown any credibility you may have wished to have with your nonsense comment about "losing tomorrow being for the best".

It 'might' be for the best in the long run. I never said I actually really want us to lose. I certainly don't. A defeat by Watford in the Cup would do it better!:)

And that is an absolute staple reply that you have come up with to feebly justify yourself to the public when, in reality, you haven't got any reasoned response to my points.

I've got reasoned responses to your points. I just don't think they deserve reasoned responses because they're extremist and daft. I don't take your opinion seriously therefore I find it hard to motivate myself enough to tell you why you're wrong, I expect you to already know.

Most of your post was drivel. Some of it was uninformed, other bits were cliche without backing, others were logical fallacies such as the argument from populus that you poted earlier, some of them are ad-hoc fallacies.

To cut it short, I recognise your post is almost laughably bad reasoning and so do that many others that I see no need to correct you.

So you haven't got any reasoned responses. That sums it up I suppose. If in doubt make up some bollocks about the fact that you can't be bothered, and throw in some clever words to make you look semi-intelligent! :)

 

[moomba]

Again, the point is missed. Did we win the things because of Mancini or in spite of him? I think the latter.

If that was the case, why bother with a manager at all?

We could do better than Mancini, and we could have a manager that does far better with his players. Nearly everyone sees it outside of City and that isn't because "they all hate us because we've got loads of money and they're all mean, nasty and horrible men!"

Quite a lot outside City still think we have players just here for the money and with no team spirit in the camp. They also think that Mancini is rubbish. They also think that when a rubbish manager doesn't win every game with his mercenary squad just here for the money it constitutes a crisis. In short, you should probably pay less attention to people who don't really know too much about the club.

 

[reddishblue]

I wonder who will disappear first up their own arsehole first (ever diminishing circle syndrome)

 

[jay_mcfc]

This is absolute car crash. Keep digging DD.

 

[DD]

Again, the point is missed. Did we win the things because of Mancini or in spite of him? I think the latter.

If that was the case, why bother with a manager at all?

We could do better than Mancini, and we could have a manager that does far better with his players. Nearly everyone sees it outside of City and that isn't because "they all hate us because we've got loads of money and they're all mean, nasty and horrible men!"

Quite a lot outside City still think we have players just here for the money and with no team spirit in the camp. They also think that Mancini is rubbish. They also think that when a rubbish manager doesn't win every game with his mercenary squad just here for the money it constitutes a crisis. In short, you should probably pay less attention to people who don't really know too much about the club.

I suppose the fact that we have beaten one decent side this season might contribute to those comments.

In ten games against the better opposition that we are going to face; i.e. Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Real, Dortmund and Ajax, we haven't won a single one.

Oh and I'm still waiting for a proper discussion, rather than "you're wrong cos you're thick".

It could take a while, I suppose, in these limited intelligence surroundings. Everybody's too busy polishing their heads or admiring their green, spikey tattoos!:)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Unlike some other posters I want City to win tomorrow.

Partly because I'm a City fan and partly because it will it will spare us the musings of those that only come on here in times of strife.

 

[the goats backside]

Derby day tomorrow guys, just saying, is it too much to ask that this place just gets behind our lads for once, if this place represents the fans god help us

 

[The Future's Blue]

Again, the point is missed. Did we win the things because of Mancini or in spite of him? I think the latter.

If that was the case, why bother with a manager at all?

We could do better than Mancini, and we could have a manager that does far better with his players. Nearly everyone sees it outside of City and that isn't because "they all hate us because we've got loads of money and they're all mean, nasty and horrible men!"

Quite a lot outside City still think we have players just here for the money and with no team spirit in the camp. They also think that Mancini is rubbish. They also think that when a rubbish manager doesn't win every game with his mercenary squad just here for the money it constitutes a crisis. In short, you should probably pay less attention to people who don't really know too much about the club.

I'm sure there are a lot of people outside of our club that don't like Mancini. I'd place the likes of Bacon Roll, Whinger and every other top flight manager in there, with every single one of their fans.

Every other fan is biased, just like we wear our Blue tints. Why on earth would they say Mancini is a good manager when they can put our success solely down to the money.

I've spoke to many genuine supporters who had nothing but praise for Mancini, sometimes waking me up to the reallities of pre-takeover. Some have said that his CL exploit with us this year was very poor but overall the level he has took us to is more than any City fan can expect at this moment in time.

Saying that, what would they know.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Derby day tomorrow guys, just saying, is it too much to ask that this place just gets behind our lads for once, if this place represents the fans god help us

By getting behind the lads do you mean wanting them to win?

If so, I'm in. Any other takers?

 

[jay_mcfc]

U.N.I.T.E.D
United are the ....

 

[the goats backside]

Derby day tomorrow guys, just saying, is it too much to ask that this place just gets behind our lads for once, if this place represents the fans god help us

By getting behind the lads do you mean wanting them to win?

If so, I'm in. Any other takers?

Embarrassing this place at times, no bloody wonder no atmosphere at home games

 

[The Future's Blue]

Derby day tomorrow guys, just saying, is it too much to ask that this place just gets behind our lads for once, if this place represents the fans god help us

Well, if we win we can all say that this thread helped to give the manager/team a kick up the ass. If we lose, it'll just be a 'told you so', so no harm done.

And I very much doubt that threads like this really represent the boys and girls at the game.

 

[Chippy_boy]

That's actually, imo, a relatively reasonable post however you've blown any credibility you may have wished to have with your nonsense comment about "losing tomorrow being for the best".

It 'might' be for the best in the long run. I never said I actually really want us to lose. I certainly don't. A defeat by Watford in the Cup would do it better!:)

And that is an absolute staple reply that you have come up with to feebly justify yourself to the public when, in reality, you haven't got any reasoned response to my points.

I've got reasoned responses to your points. I just don't think they deserve reasoned responses because they're extremist and daft. I don't take your opinion seriously therefore I find it hard to motivate myself enough to tell you why you're wrong, I expect you to already know.

Most of your post was drivel. Some of it was uninformed, other bits were cliche without backing, others were logical fallacies such as the argument from populus that you poted earlier, some of them are ad-hoc fallacies.

To cut it short, I recognise your post is almost laughably bad reasoning and so do that many others that I see no need to correct you.

He's clearly got your back up mate. But to be fair, there's some reasonable and reasoned points in that post. Clearly there's zero obligation to respond to it, but your "it's all bollocks" reply doesn't remotely cut it. Plainly, it is not all bollocks.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

And I very much doubt that threads like this really represent the boys and girls at the game.

Oh I think it does. It's just that they aren't all in the City end, sadly.

 

[DD]

It's amazing how a "might not be such a bad thing" has turned into an actively wanting us to lose.

Mind you, when people haven't got the ability to actually form reasoned responses to points made then I suppose it is no surprise that reading things correctly is a little too difficult.

For one I would love us to win because I've been a season ticket holder for 33 years (cock measuring quote, I know!) and it's a rather large part of my life, but the bigger picture is that I would rather see my team win the league multiple times rather than just the once. If that is something that needs addressing now for a better future then so be it. I think it is, you think it doesn't.

I will be celebrating like anyone else if we win tomorrow, but if we lose, and it will seem like a small consolation at the time, but the positive I will take out of it is that a change of managerial direction will probably give us a greater chance of further success in future.

 

[the goats backside]

Derby day tomorrow guys, just saying, is it too much to ask that this place just gets behind our lads for once, if this place represents the fans god help us

Well, if we win we can all say that this thread helped to give the manager/team a kick up the ass. If we lose, it'll just be a 'told you so', so no harm done.

And I very much doubt that threads like this really represent the boys and girls at the game.

I hope to god your right