Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[zeven]

I have never said Mancini is a better manager than Mourinho. The latters record speaks for itself. Hell I like Mourinho (eye gouging aside)

I have consistently said they are different managers with different skillsets and that Mancini is better equipped to build a squad with a club that has not won anything in years and teach them how to win whereas Mourinho is better equipped to take a winning squad and get it to win more.

Both have a very saleable commodity in what they can do best and I see no problem in recognising their respective talents.

I agree.

However we are at the stage now where we need a Mourninho more than we need a Mancini hence why I have a strong opinion. Doesn't mean I resent him etc. I just feel his time is up and we must move on, for his benefit and for ours.

You like to reply with a sound reasoning post, could you respond to this please becaue it's a genuine question and topic I'm intrigued about. The more responses the better.

''As for Mancini, we all want him to do well because we all know that him doing well means City does well. The problem is if he fails what happens then? Do we throw away a season possibly and replace him mid-campaign or do we carry on till end of season (my personal choice should he fail). Maybe he wins a trophy, what then?''

Changing a manager mid season is a big no for me. You either give him the season or replace him this summer. The key as to what happens will be the relationship with Txiki and Ferran and whether they can work together. If they can't then someone has to go and it won't be Txiki. At the moment thats a great unknown.

As a someone who has backed Mancini from the off I've had all the arguments 'too negative', 'too Italian', 'won't win anything', 'won't win the big games', 'won't win the league' so I'm relaxed on the European front as well. Mancini has got teams out of the Group stage before so saying he never will is easier to defend then 'he'll never win the league'. As for winning the CL - well as Di Matteo proved a good team and immense good fortune can a miracle make.

But it all rests with Mancini and Txiki and can they get on, agree on transfer targets, football philosophy and the rest. If they don't then City will employ a coach that does. Pretty straightforward really.

I read they work very well toghether and that they share the same vision and how to do things, infact Mancini work much much better with Txiki than with Marwood. we can only se how the business was done last summer compared to this summer.

Tixiki and Mancini are alike

 

[BobKowalski]

Just putting everything into context that's all.

The answer's yes, though. I am a fan of Mourinho. At the same time, I don't dislike Mancini one bit. I just so happen to believe that Mourinho is league above.

Well one man's 'context' is another man's 'excuses'

You like Mourinho and seek to excuse his failings at Real. Some people like Mancini and do likewise with his failings. All managers fail at some point. Its inevitable. Its how they respond to failure that matters.

I'm not excusing his failings. I pointed out earlier that he should have his team closer to Barcelona than what the current 11pt gap suggests.

I'm merely disagreeing with your belief that he's been more of a failure than Mancini this season. He hasn't.

I wasn't talking about this season. I was comparing Mancini's time at City vs Mourinho's time at Real ie 3 seasons and who had best achieved the objectives set by their respective clubs.

Based on this season it has been pretty much a disappointing season for them both.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

He'll either go at the end of this season or will be here at least another 2 but I'm really not bothered one way or the other. We'll certainly do OK while he's here but if he does stick around, by the time he's finished everyone will realise he's never quite going to be good enough for where we want and need to be.

I pretty much agree PB. That said:
1. The grief the club would get for sacking him would be immense. We WOULD be the Abramovich style monster the press WANT us to be. Further the continual speculation going forward would cause long term damage to the new manager, team, club, owner AND Abu Dhabi.
2. He is good enough to get the better of Red Nose at the swamp. So far just over 50% of the time. He is certainly impervious to Red Nose's mind games as well (unlike Wenger and the Waiter for example).
3. Continuity is a good thing - so long as the man picked is better than OK. Mancini IS better than Ok. It has allowed Red Nose to do better things at the swamp that he would have done elsewhere. The same applies to Mancini so it would be nice to be proved wrong. he is certainly good enough to win pots in England!
(Yes I know, I wanted Hughes out the Summer after he was appointed - but it was clear to anyone with eyes, ears and a brain - even then - that his ability to spend serious money was non existent - as was his ability to manage 'Galacticos'.)

I wouldn't argue with any of that but I didn't think Mancini was quite good enough to win us the league so maybe I'm not the best judge. I had to eat my words last May but at least they came with Michelin stars!

 

[BobKowalski]

Everyone know that 24horas.cl

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Horas_(Chilean_newscast" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Horas_(Chilean_newscast</a>)

this broadcast, Chile version BBC. This news 99% accuracy on info.

Only confirm news leaked. I know that Sanchez news first leaked from 24horas.cl - Sanchez to Barca also MP going Real madrid & Malaga first leaked from 24horas.cl.

Interesting.

What news is this BDJ? Sanchez signing? Fernandinho signing Mancini resigning??

I've been told that 24Horas in Chile is "very serious media" ala the BBC, they're reporting it as fact. They said roughly "strong rumours in recent days are now fact" and remember Pellegrini is Chilean.

and

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.24horas.cl/deportes/futbol-internacional/manuel-pellegrini-llega-a-un-acuerdo-de-palabra-con-el-city-521795" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.24horas.cl/deportes/futbol-i ... ity-521795</a>

I'm missing something. The link is from February. Its where the story started if I recall.

 

[George Hannah]

What news is this BDJ? Sanchez signing? Fernandinho signing Mancini resigning??

I've been told that 24Horas in Chile is "very serious media" ala the BBC, they're reporting it as fact. They said roughly "strong rumours in recent days are now fact" and remember Pellegrini is Chilean.

and

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.24horas.cl/deportes/futbol-internacional/manuel-pellegrini-llega-a-un-acuerdo-de-palabra-con-el-city-521795" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.24horas.cl/deportes/futbol-i ... ity-521795</a>

I'm missing something. The link is from February. Its where the story started if I recall.

So, to summarise, in Chile in February they said Mancini was a gonner and Pelligrino will be sparkling at the Etihad. Now the CBBC is saying the same again. They've been on here too much methinks ;-)

 

[BlueDejong]

What news is this BDJ? Sanchez signing? Fernandinho signing Mancini resigning??

I've been told that 24Horas in Chile is "very serious media" ala the BBC, they're reporting it as fact. They said roughly "strong rumours in recent days are now fact" and remember Pellegrini is Chilean.

and

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.24horas.cl/deportes/futbol-internacional/manuel-pellegrini-llega-a-un-acuerdo-de-palabra-con-el-city-521795" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.24horas.cl/deportes/futbol-i ... ity-521795</a>

I'm missing something. The link is from February. Its where the story started if I recall.

I just remind that source reliability

 

[BobKowalski]

There is nothing to suggest De Boer is being considered in the immediacy, although it's a job he has since publicly admitted he would like at some stage.

Our Academy Campus is at least another three or four years before showing any fruits of the labour.

It's about the immediacy. Football has always been about timing and Pellegrini is available and moving on.

Those links first originated out of his homeland of Chile, back in January, this is the most pertinent of points.

Just as Mancini will have his own long-term relationships with Italian journalists, Pellegrini could well have let it slip to a family member and it's gone from there.

The meeting last week with his agent, although plausible it could be a player, is too much of a coincidence.

Fernandinho is of South American stock, so he has that Begiristain stamp in terms of identifying, as is the Argentinian defender.

In my opinion, Pellegrini will end up at us or PSG this summer.

If Txiki is meeting Pellegrini's agent in public to discuss Pellegrini coming to City then he is an idiot.

If he's doing it to play games then he is a bigger idiot.

There is absolutely no need less than two weeks before a Cup Final to go around shit stirring. Makes absolutely no sense when you can and should conduct any such negotiations in private.

I have a lot of faith in Ferran and Txiki but stupidity is not an endearing trait.

I agree, although another reason perhaps for such a lack of discreetness is Mancini might already knows which way the cards are gonna fall?

In that respect, it's either Mancini is non-plussed, or he has nothing to fear because Begiristian is actually negotiating for a player.

Madrid is a big place, far enough away from prying eyes in Malaga. However, when he interviewed Mourinho for the Barca job, everything was very much cloak and dagger

Possible but seems unnecessarily proactive if that's the case. I mean why bother? Just do it in private which is the mantra we have been getting from the Barca duo who have pretty much shunned the media so far.

Personally I don't think it has any bearing on Pellegrini coming or not - hell maybe its just two guys enjoying a boozy lunch who knows but I can only see Txiki doing serious business behind closed doors. Lest I hope so anyway

 

[Ragnarok]

I think the next press conference can be used to garner the gist of whether Mancini knows whether his job is gone, or whether it was just a player related meeting. I am going for the latter.

 

[samharris]

Jose-he loves losing semi finals doesn't he...

Unlike Bobby

When did Mancini ever get to a semi in the CL?

Here's some interesting stats for what's labelled here as a failed tenure at Madrid for Jose.

City - Fa Cup
Madrid - CDR Cup

City - League
Madrid - League

City - Final of FA Cup
Madrid - Final of CDR Cup

In all 3 seasons above Madrid have matched us yet they have performed better in Europe and collected an extra £50m (ish) than us in prize money.-- Wed May 01, 2013 9:25 am --

Is a very good point ! I'll have another go......what if we were top of the league , still in the league cup ( god knows what it'll be called next season) , with the FA cup to come ?

If he spends big in the summer and our CL campaign is as poor as this season he'll go.

I think Mancini knows this and it's his last crack at it. If he fails he picks up the phone and walks into a job at Monaco. Problem is it leaves us in a stick predicament with a change of manager and no pre-season to bed in his methods. We would adapt and progress but how much pace will it take off our pursuit of regaining the league?

And how much do you think City winning last day of the season contributed to the new huge TV deal ?? sorry,did I say huge...I meant Massive tv deal.<br /><br />-- Wed May 01, 2013 3:26 pm --<br /><br />

Mourinho is a fantastic manager and I liked him a lot when he was at Chelsea but, he looked a shadow of his former self next to Klopp.

What you saw last night in my opinion was a man without his mojo. He looked like a singer who couldn't get the audience to join in.

He needs a different audience and he most of all he needs to take stock of his tenure at Madrid and realise that he could have handled some things better than he has done.

I expect him to excel in his next role.

No plan B just like Bob.. ;)

 

[Blue Heaven]

I have never said Mancini is a better manager than Mourinho. The latters record speaks for itself. Hell I like Mourinho (eye gouging aside)

I have consistently said they are different managers with different skillsets and that Mancini is better equipped to build a squad with a club that has not won anything in years and teach them how to win whereas Mourinho is better equipped to take a winning squad and get it to win more.

Both have a very saleable commodity in what they can do best and I see no problem in recognising their respective talents.

I agree.

However we are at the stage now where we need a Mourninho more than we need a Mancini hence why I have a strong opinion. Doesn't mean I resent him etc. I just feel his time is up and we must move on, for his benefit and for ours.

You like to reply with a sound reasoning post, could you respond to this please becaue it's a genuine question and topic I'm intrigued about. The more responses the better.

''As for Mancini, we all want him to do well because we all know that him doing well means City does well. The problem is if he fails what happens then? Do we throw away a season possibly and replace him mid-campaign or do we carry on till end of season (my personal choice should he fail). Maybe he wins a trophy, what then?''

Changing a manager mid season is a big no for me. You either give him the season or replace him this summer. The key as to what happens will be the relationship with Txiki and Ferran and whether they can work together. If they can't then someone has to go and it won't be Txiki. At the moment thats a great unknown.

As a someone who has backed Mancini from the off I've had all the arguments 'too negative', 'too Italian', 'won't win anything', 'won't win the big games', 'won't win the league' so I'm relaxed on the European front as well. Mancini has got teams out of the Group stage before so saying he never will is easier to defend then 'he'll never win the league'. As for winning the CL - well as Di Matteo proved a good team and immense good fortune can a miracle make.

But it all rests with Mancini and Txiki and can they get on, agree on transfer targets, football philosophy and the rest. If they don't then City will employ a coach that does. Pretty straightforward really.

Eminently reasonable post, Bob, and I think you're absolutely correct about what the key issue is here.

-- Wed May 01, 2013 7:43 am --

There is nothing to suggest De Boer is being considered in the immediacy, although it's a job he has since publicly admitted he would like at some stage.

Our Academy Campus is at least another three or four years before showing any fruits of the labour.

It's about the immediacy. Football has always been about timing and Pellegrini is available and moving on.

Those links first originated out of his homeland of Chile, back in January, this is the most pertinent of points.

Just as Mancini will have his own long-term relationships with Italian journalists, Pellegrini could well have let it slip to a family member and it's gone from there.

The meeting last week with his agent, although plausible it could be a player, is too much of a coincidence.

Fernandinho is of South American stock, so he has that Begiristain stamp in terms of identifying, as is the Argentinian defender.

In my opinion, Pellegrini will end up at us or PSG this summer.

If Txiki is meeting Pellegrini's agent in public to discuss Pellegrini coming to City then he is an idiot.

If he's doing it to play games then he is a bigger idiot.

There is absolutely no need less than two weeks before a Cup Final to go around shit stirring. Makes absolutely no sense when you can and should conduct any such negotiations in private.

I have a lot of faith in Ferran and Txiki but stupidity is not an endearing trait.

I agree, although another reason perhaps for such a lack of discreetness is Mancini might already knows which way the cards are gonna fall?

In that respect, it's either Mancini is non-plussed, or he has nothing to fear because Begiristian is actually negotiating for a player.

Madrid is a big place, far enough away from prying eyes in Malaga. However, when he interviewed Mourinho for the Barca job, everything was very much cloak and dagger

My understanding is that Mou made a six-hour presentation to the Barca brass before being passed over for The Pep.<br /><br />-- Wed May 01, 2013 7:45 am --<br /><br />

He'll either go at the end of this season or will be here at least another 2 but I'm really not bothered one way or the other. We'll certainly do OK while he's here but if he does stick around, by the time he's finished everyone will realise he's never quite going to be good enough for where we want and need to be.

I pretty much agree PB. That said:
1. The grief the club would get for sacking him would be immense. We WOULD be the Abramovich style monster the press WANT us to be. Further the continual speculation going forward would cause long term damage to the new manager, team, club, owner AND Abu Dhabi.
2. He is good enough to get the better of Red Nose at the swamp. So far just over 50% of the time. He is certainly impervious to Red Nose's mind games as well (unlike Wenger and the Waiter for example).
3. Continuity is a good thing - so long as the man picked is better than OK. Mancini IS better than Ok. continuity HAS allowed Red Nose to do better things at the swamp that he would have done elsewhere. The same applies to Mancini so it would be nice to be proved wrong. he is certainly good enough to win pots in England!
(Yes I know, I wanted Hughes out the Summer after he was appointed - but it was clear to anyone with eyes, ears and a brain - even then - that his ability to spend serious money was non existent - as was his ability to manage 'Galacticos' and play to a plan.)

Now that we all have a much more complete picture of what actually was going on back in the day, these three items could just as well have been applied to Sven when he was sacked by Dr. Toxin...