Wolves (A) | PL | Post-Match Thread

[Norbiton]

The linesman was an idiot as your can't be offside from a corner! It's all alot of BS

But you can be offside once a team mate has played the ball after the corner, which is what the linesman flagged for. Wrongly, as Bernie wasn’t interfering with play

 

[thismeansfour]

It is the hope that kills you, and Arsenal and Liverpool are utterly desperate for ANY loss of points from us because they know that if we are there-or-thereabouts post Christmas, without Rodri, DeBruyne, Bobb, and others, they have a job on their hands. All of the bleating is simply lost hope, a hope massaged by news media that only has an interest for views, clicks and likes. They get more of that from red-shirted rivals seething with desperation and frustration.

At the moment, points however they come should be our only interest - we have lost two absolute worldies from our squad, and a young talent oozing with creativity. We are trying to open up teams whose only objective is to stop us scoring, and to try and hit the occasional break or set-piece. Any team with 11 behind the ball is tough to break down, and we face that week in and week out. Our style of play has encouraged that because we dominate the ball. Football always develops solutions and teams have developed the deep defence, rapid counter to cope with the way we play. Wolves did that, and gave rivals a hope that they did not expect. They are now squealing because we killed that hope.

Teams sit back because we are relatively easy to defend against. We allow their team to get back the occasional time they venture forwards and lose the ball. Our slow and boring build up is on us, not on how teams set up and I am surprised, especially with our current wingers, how we don't break, quickly, directly and with a purpose. That second half was an example of a team with zero ideas on how to break down a side happy to defend. You would think we would be working different ways and styles out rather than pass it to death sideways hoping to find the smallest gap to create something. If teas get joy from defending then it is on us to combat that, we just about muddle through but I hope the best manager in the world finds a better way than the same rinse and repeat.

 

[supercity88]

I'm not sure that's true is it? He is only in an offside position once the ball is touched by a City player, not purely due to the swing of the ball going behind him? he is in a state awaiting to be called. Schrodingers Bernie.

(think of a player unmarked on the back post at a corner, receiving a big loopy in-swinging corner that goes further out from the goal line than him and back onto his head - you would never ever see that called offside, because offside is determined at the moment of contact with the ball by your teammate, not by the flight of the ball itself).

You can't be offside from a corner. If offside did apply from corners and the ball was positioned on the outside of the arc, away from the goal line there would be the potential to be ahead of the ball and offside, so it's removed from a corner kick. You only become offside once contact is made. Bernardo was offside when Stonesy headered the ball, but wasn't interfering with play.

The Wolves disallowed goal against West Ham, that O'Neil referenced was completely different. There was a Wolves player stood right in front of the West Ham keeper blocking the view of the ball and not allowing him to react to it.

 

[oldius]

Teams sit back because we are relatively easy to defend against. We allow their team to get back the occasional time they venture forwards and lose the ball. Our slow and boring build up is on us, not on how teams set up and I am surprised, especially with our current wingers, how we don't break, quickly, directly and with a purpose. That second half was an example of a team with zero ideas on how to break down a side happy to defend. You would think we would be working different ways and styles out rather than pass it to death sideways hoping to find the smallest gap to create something. If teas get joy from defending then it is on us to combat that, we just about muddle through but I hope the best manager in the world finds a better way than the same rinse and repeat.

He has found a way, and it's why we have broken all records.

 

[shemnel]

You can't be offside from a corner. If offside did apply from corners and the ball was positioned on the outside of the arc, away from the goal line there would be the potential to be ahead of the ball and offside, so it's removed from a corner kick. You only become offside once contact is made. Bernardo was offside when Stonesy headered the ball, but wasn't interfering with play.

The Wolves disallowed goal against West Ham, that O'Neil referenced was completely different. There was a Wolves player stood right in front of the West Ham keeper blocking the view of the ball and not allowing him to react to it.

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yes i know you cant be offside from a corner, thanks though. I was replying to someone who suggested Bernie was offside once the ball was further away from the goal than him, in the air. which can't be right.

you cannot be offside from a corner, i know.

 

[give it to gordon]

I think the officials did every thing correct. The linesman won't have know if Bernie was interfering with the keeper out not, just that Bernie was off side as soon as Stones headed it.
The ref perhaps should have seen Bernie wasn't interfering.
VAR realised that the ref had made a clear and obvious error. VAR called the ref to the screen.
The ref reviewed it and realised he had made a mistake and gave the goal.

VAR worked perfectly well.

 

[Asa's left peg]

That's the critical point for me. There's so much talk about the decision, the BBC even have a video which asks if the Wolves players took too long to contest the decision.

For 30 seconds they're largely on the floor or with heads in hands because they've conceded. The keeper hasn't jumped up and started kicking off about Bernardo blocking him or being in his eyeline. When Arsenal scored their first against us, there was an immediate reaction because of Walker being called out of position. When they scored from the corner we protested because of the pushing and obstructing that had occurred.

The Wolves players weren't bothered, because they didn't have an issue. When they saw the flag raised, that's where they got excited. That's what O'Neil saw and got all excited about as well. VAR obviously reviewed it and felt the ref should have a look, and the ref didn't believe Bernardo was affecting play. And he wasn't. I reckon if they showed every corner or set piece from the weekend you'd see far worse than that incident in the majority. The only reason it "stands out" is because it was initially ruled out for offside - the linesman just seeing Bernardo as offside with no context of where he was in relation to the keeper, and because it is one player with the keeper. Usually there are about 3 around the keeper so it's harder to identify what is going on.

Also, he was wrong to flag even if he thought Bernie was off. It was going to be checked anyway, as it was a goal and all goals are checked.
One of the many inconsistencies still going on is the linesman flagging for offside or not when a player is chasing a ball from an offside position. Some don't flag but some do.

 

[Franny 1234]

The linesman was an idiot as your can't be offside from a corner! It's all alot of BS

I've read page after page discussing this. And I thought you can't be offside from a corner too. CTID

 

[Vic]

I'm not sure that's true is it? He is only in an offside position once the ball is touched by a City player, not purely due to the swing of the ball going behind him? he is in a state awaiting to be called. Schrodingers Bernie.

(think of a player unmarked on the back post at a corner, receiving a big loopy in-swinging corner that goes further out from the goal line than him and back onto his head - you would never ever see that called offside, because offside is determined at the moment of contact with the ball by your teammate, not by the flight of the ball itself).

You can't be offside from a corner (or goal kick or throw-in). But you can be in an offside position even when the ball isn't in play, e.g. waiting for a free kick to be floated into the PA. If in that position when the ball is played, you can't interfere with play or with an opponent.

 

[Victorinodennistua]

Teams sit back because we are relatively easy to defend against. We allow their team to get back the occasional time they venture forwards and lose the ball. Our slow and boring build up is on us, not on how teams set up and I am surprised, especially with our current wingers, how we don't break, quickly, directly and with a purpose. That second half was an example of a team with zero ideas on how to break down a side happy to defend. You would think we would be working different ways and styles out rather than pass it to death sideways hoping to find the smallest gap to create something. If teas get joy from defending then it is on us to combat that, we just about muddle through but I hope the best manager in the world finds a better way than the same rinse and repeat.

I think this is why I’d experiment with josko playing the rodders role when ake comes back. He’s got a good shot on him which is what we need from outside the box. We are missing KDB to mix up our play to be fair. Those daisy cutting passes like the one wolves scored from have been missed.