Work For Dole

[sweynforkbeard]

As I go about scattering foie gras foil and champagne corks in my wake I glow with pride knowing I am providing useful tasks for the rabble of illiterates existing in the workhouse.

 

[MCFCTrick]

The other way of looking at this is why shouldn't the long term unemployed do some menial work? What else are they doing? Maybe collecting litter and helping in the Community will help a some of people get some pride back in themselves and where they live? Just a thought, I doubt it will go down well though.

Then they can make the litter collectors redundant. And they will potentially end up on the dole....and picking litter up....for a fraction of their (no doubt) minimum wage....hmm

 

[Cellarite]

The reason they find it so easy to pit the poor against the poor is because the country has an underclass that make life hell for the workers amongst us who can't afford to buy our way out of the areas we live in.

I agree 100% that this is a scheme full of flaws and contradictions but at the same time, would love to see the drug dealer opposite my house forced into a low paid demeaning job. His low life mates knock about making the area resemble a fucking shanty town, his kids are feral and he mugs old people. Don't suggest reporting him because the council and police merely tell you to do their jobs for them by logging incidents.

I understand completely that the unemployed who Rasc and others know aren't these types of people but can someone please suggest what should be done about the scumbags who make normal people's lives worse than they should otherwise be?

Good post.

We all know cases like this, family of dossers just taking the piss. They use up every social service (and emergency service) and add precisely fuck all to the community. There's one in my local every day. The council do fuck all and the plod even less unless it's very serious.
But what about the other peolple on the street that get benefits? You probably don't even know who they are but most of them will have a legitimate case (and want to work)
Bringing in such draconian measures that affect every claimant, and at the same time put them in the 'piss takers' bracket, is not the way to crack this particular nut.

Thank you Sir! There are people on this thread claiming that if George Osbourne believes the unemployed don't want to work, he's living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. I'd say that if people believe there aren't thousands of people in every major city who simply can't be arsed working, it is in fact they who are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

I'm confident that a person with a reasonable amount of marbles could stand outside any jobcentre and point to unemployed people walking in stating whether they are simply unemployed or fuckwits with no intention of getting a job.

"Leave him, she's alright, he's just unlucky, scumbag - put him on the dole bus, she's trying, he's a workshy - get him picking up shit, he's ok, dealer - get him scrubbing the subways......" Fucking easy and a job I'd relish.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

As I go about scattering foie gras foil and champagne corks in my wake I glow with pride knowing I am providing useful tasks for the rabble of illiterates existing in the workhouse.

And yet what thanks will you get for it, sweyn?

Fuck all, that's what.

 

[117 M34]

Loads of people moaning about this, but then there are always loads of people about the scrotes who play the system and don't work or intend to.

If the government try to do something about it people moan and if they just carried on letting the workshy do what they want people still moan.

 

[cyberblue]

The other way of looking at this is why shouldn't the long term unemployed do some menial work? What else are they doing? Maybe collecting litter and helping in the Community will help a some of people get some pride back in themselves and where they live? Just a thought, I doubt it will go down well though.

If they are not going to take a proper job with decent pay do you think they will be arsed about collecting litter ? who would supervise them no doubt someone else on JSA

 

[johnnytapia]

As someone who has taught in Ancoats and now teaches in an equally "impoverished" area, I have witnessed and continue to witness both sides of the "workshy/workless" debate: those, and there are plenty, who would rather "play the game", idle their days away knowing the dole/benefit will arrive as sure as night follows (not getting up in the) day and that a taxi from the supermarket is de rigeur; and those, and they are few, who strive hard to seek work and who'll go the extra mile to bring in the pay.

The sheer lack of ambition shown by so many of the parents can drain the soul. And the pocket. But I see the children who would suffer, were the benefits of these parents taken away. Kids who already arrive malnourished (phsically and mentall).Que faire? Let the children suffer? Methinks that would equate to a society that's lost its moral compass.

It's easy to play the right-wing rhetoric card and explicitly and tacitly lay the blame of all society's ills at the feet of the "poor". But that's too simplistic. The problems/issues that Osborne portrays as being pandemic are not based on reality. But the counter-argument, that were the jobs there, the unemployed would find them is equally the stuff of mythology.

The problem deserves better than Osborne/Duncan-Smith et al have currently mustered. But we, the public, need to engage. 'Cos remember: "We're all in this together."

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

As someone who has taught in Ancoats and now teaches in an equally "impoverished" area, I have witnessed and continue to witness both sides of the "workshy/workless" debate: those, and there are plenty, who would rather "play the game", idle their days away knowing the dole/benefit will arrive as sure as night follows (not getting up in the) day and that a taxi from the supermarket is de rigeur; and those, and they are few, who strive hard to seek work and who'll go the extra mile to bring in the pay.

The sheer lack of ambition shown by so many of the parents can drain the soul. And the pocket. But I see the children who would suffer, were the benefits of these parents taken away. Kids who already arrive malnourished (phsically and mentall).Que faire? Let the children suffer? Methinks that would equate to a society that's lost its moral compass.

It's easy to play the right-wing rhetoric card and explicitly and tacitly lay the blame of all society's ills at the feet of the "poor". But that's too simplistic. The problems/issues that Osborne portrays as being pandemic are not based on reality. But the counter-argument, that were the jobs there, the unemployed would find them is equally the stuff of mythology.

The problem deserves better than Osborne/Duncan-Smith et al have currently mustered. But we, the public, need to engage. 'Cos remember: "We're all in this together."

A truly superb and well balanced first post, mate.

 

[Malty]

Can anyone clarify this for me

is this going to effect the genuinely disabled people or the ones playing the system playing on depression and all that?

 

[paphos-mcfc]

Can anyone clarify this for me

is this going to effect the genuinely disabled people or the ones playing the system playing on depression and all that?

Dunno, better ask Stephen Hawking, and on that note, goodnight bluemoon.