Work For Dole

[i kne albert davy]

Can't really see getting litter picked up for Dole money being the way forward if I'm honest would it not be better to pay a bit more than the dole and offer training for the millions of jobs out there we're assured the British are to lazy to take.

Or invest in more jobs.

These tories are rich toffees and treat the working class in a sick way.

Trouble is real jobs usually involve an organised Labour force and I'm afraid they ain't going to back that in any way shape or form.

 

[Aphex]

It'll never happen. I can see them backtracking on the bedroom tax, I can see them out of office before this gets a sniff.

 

[Ducado]

It'll never happen. I can see them backtracking on the bedroom tax, I can see them out of office before this gets a sniff.

Don't put your money on it

 

[bernabias home shirt]

For anyone who thinks it's a good idea, where do the people who have their benefit stopped for 4 weeks get money to survive?
They'll just commit crimes instead.

They were having this discussion the other day on sky news
And all came to your conclusion,crime,then it will work out ten times more expensive dealing with them through the system

Never going to happen.

 

[cockneycarparkm32]

As someone who has taught in Ancoats and now teaches in an equally "impoverished" area, I have witnessed and continue to witness both sides of the "workshy/workless" debate: those, and there are plenty, who would rather "play the game", idle their days away knowing the dole/benefit will arrive as sure as night follows (not getting up in the) day and that a taxi from the supermarket is de rigeur; and those, and they are few, who strive hard to seek work and who'll go the extra mile to bring in the pay.

The sheer lack of ambition shown by so many of the parents can drain the soul. And the pocket. But I see the children who would suffer, were the benefits of these parents taken away. Kids who already arrive malnourished (phsically and mentall).Que faire? Let the children suffer? Methinks that would equate to a society that's lost its moral compass.

It's easy to play the right-wing rhetoric card and explicitly and tacitly lay the blame of all society's ills at the feet of the "poor". But that's too simplistic. The problems/issues that Osborne portrays as being pandemic are not based on reality. But the counter-argument, that were the jobs there, the unemployed would find them is equally the stuff of mythology.

The problem deserves better than Osborne/Duncan-Smith et al have currently mustered. But we, the public, need to engage. 'Cos remember: "We're all in this together."

Very well put mate

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

I have just endured the aural Valium that was David Cameron's leaders speech at the Conservative conference.
Fucking hell - that has just singlehandedly forced me to completely reassess my definition of the word dull.
I'm sure some of the audience passed away about halfway through.
Some looked like they had been dead for months.
Once I considered John Major to be the epicentre of global tedium, but this speech was beyond ennui, as he managed to make Stephen Hawking sound like Martin Luther King.
If any forumites require a failsafe cure for insomnia, they simply need to download this claptrap.

 

[shootmeifipost10k]

For anyone who thinks it's a good idea, where do the people who have their benefit stopped for 4 weeks get money to survive?
They'll just commit crimes instead.

They were having this discussion the other day on sky news
And all came to your conclusion,crime,then it will work out ten times more expensive dealing with them through the system

Never going to happen.

I didn't watch it but from you saying that's what they came to then I can only think it's more lazy journalism just to hype things up a little.
The reality is that just about everyone who had their money stopped wouldn't be going out committing crimes because most people simply don't do that.

If their weekly money is stopped they still get access to hardship payments for essentials like food, heating and electricity.

As normal the media will be speculating on rubbish without checking any facts

 

[Mike D]

What I would like to know from a practical point of view how is this going to work. You have potentially 200,000 people who could fall into this bracket of them a proportion should actually be on sick anyway. Then with what you have left of pretty much the vast majority are going to be in deprived areas even rural areas in some cases where there is very little hope of them finding work anyway.

So the problem is in order to find them work you are either gonna create work which in itself is going to put someone else out of a job. Or cost the taxpayer more money because the work needed doing in the first place. After all there's only so many shopping trollies you can pull out of a canal, and there is only so much litter you can pick? A number of charities and big businesses have pretty much already given this idea the wide birth because of taking a job off someone or being accused of taking advantage of free labour. So what are these army's of people probably all living next to each other on the same estate gonna do?

From what I have seen so far neither parties leading on this have the silver bullet on how to solve this problem both are flawed in many ways. But isn't the way to solve a problem best tackled from why the current solution is failing instead trying to reinvent the wheel.

 

[-dabz-]

I have just endured the aural Valium that was David Cameron's leaders speech at the Conservative conference.
Fucking hell - that has just singlehandedly forced me to completely reassess my definition of the word dull.
I'm sure some of the audience passed away about halfway through.
Some looked like they had been dead for months.
Once I considered John Major to be the epicentre of global tedium, but this speech was beyond ennui, as he managed to make Stephen Hawking sound like Martin Luther King.
If any forumites require a failsafe cure for insomnia, they simply need to download this claptrap
I think I'll wear my maroon trews today.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

I have just endured the aural Valium that was David Cameron's leaders speech at the Conservative conference.
Fucking hell - that has just singlehandedly forced me to completely reassess my definition of the word dull.
I'm sure some of the audience passed away about halfway through.
Some looked like they had been dead for months.
Once I considered John Major to be the epicentre of global tedium, but this speech was beyond ennui, as he managed to make Stephen Hawking sound like Martin Luther King.
If any forumites require a failsafe cure for insomnia, they simply need to download this claptrap
I think I'll wear my maroon trews today.

Simply brilliant -dabz-.