Yaya - a time to cash in?

[Jaffamandango]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

Personally, I'd have sold him instead of giving him the new deal. For me, he was the biggest contributor to our problems last year, especially in the CL. He just doesn't defend, or even try to! It's okay if we play him in the more advanced role, but as part of our deep two then he was a complete liability, leaving whoever he was with out to dry. Don't even get me started on his complete refusal to track near post runners at corners.
For me, Fernandinho was the perfect replacement. People on here seem to think he's a holding midfielder, but he's got a lot more going forwards than that. I honestly fear for him if he plays alongside Yaya in a two though, as noone can hold the middle of the ptch on their own, especially against better opposition. I have lost all trust in Yaya as a central midfielder, we could play him as an attacking midfielder, but I'd much rather play Silva or Nasri there.

If someone offered £20m for him, I'd bite their hand off. We need reliable players who can work and press as a team if we are going to go places, not a player who is going to do fuck all, all game, except make a couple of match of the day bursts forwards. Hopefully Pellegrini can get him to actually play and work for the team, but I have srrious concerns

This is what I should of posted! Says everything I meant, totally agree that some see Fernandinho as a DM and he is more than that, this partnership I worry will leak goals due to the balance, and as I've tried to state Yaya is not a defensive player any longer<br /><br />-- Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:39 am --<br /><br />

Definitely going to put the cat amongst the pigeons with this one.

I think we are in a perfect position to sell him and aquire a specialised player like kondogbia or gundogan. I know most people will be like, he's our best player, he's a beast, he won us the fa cup and the title.

However let me paint another picture, he's a jack of all trades but a master of none whose value is only going to decrease parallel to his stamina. Yes when he runs at defences he's frightening, but that won't be his job next season, and as a defensive player I find him very lazy and petulant at times. There is no doubt he's been a hero for us but I think now is a time we think of whole team dynamics and I can't help think, he could be a possible weak link, especially with his stamina and tendencies to go missing even tho he was alledgly pro Mancini.

So cash in or keep?

You might just about, conceivably, maybe have held on to a semblance of a sliver of credibility if you'd left that bold bit off your post .... perhaps.

He's masterful at most things imo.

Agreed.

(All last season)

Passing:

Right foot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc07_DodKNk[/youtube]

Left foot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPKbQzXQ4es[/youtube]


Shooting:

Right foot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YF_NMmJLWU[/youtube]

Left foot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWFZuWLXeOM[/youtube]


Dribbling:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iouQG0wGq0[/youtube]

'His' forward runs:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXf8_gVti0M[/youtube]

You are aware I could probably find YouTube videos like that for most players in the league it's not my point, he's not DM and we all know it.

 

[kun]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

Personally, I'd have sold him instead of giving him the new deal. For me, he was the biggest contributor to our problems last year, especially in the CL. He just doesn't defend, or even try to! It's okay if we play him in the more advanced role, but as part of our deep two then he was a complete liability, leaving whoever he was with out to dry. Don't even get me started on his complete refusal to track near post runners at corners.
For me, Fernandinho was the perfect replacement. People on here seem to think he's a holding midfielder, but he's got a lot more going forwards than that. I honestly fear for him if he plays alongside Yaya in a two though, as noone can hold the middle of the ptch on their own, especially against better opposition. I have lost all trust in Yaya as a central midfielder, we could play him as an attacking midfielder, but I'd much rather play Silva or Nasri there.

If someone offered £20m for him, I'd bite their hand off. We need reliable players who can work and press as a team if we are going to go places, not a player who is going to do fuck all, all game, except make a couple of match of the day bursts forwards. Hopefully Pellegrini can get him to actually play and work for the team, but I have srrious concerns

This is what I should of posted! Says everything I meant, totally agree that some see Fernandinho as a DM and he is more than that, this partnership I worry will leak goals due to the balance, and as I've tried to state Yaya is not a defensive player any longer

-- Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:39 am --

You might just about, conceivably, maybe have held on to a semblance of a sliver of credibility if you'd left that bold bit off your post .... perhaps.

He's masterful at most things imo.

Agreed.

(All last season)

Passing:

Right foot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc07_DodKNk[/youtube]

Left foot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPKbQzXQ4es[/youtube]


Shooting:

Right foot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YF_NMmJLWU[/youtube]

Left foot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWFZuWLXeOM[/youtube]


Dribbling:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iouQG0wGq0[/youtube]

'His' forward runs:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXf8_gVti0M[/youtube]

You are aware I could probably find YouTube videos like that for most players in the league it's not my point, he's not DM and we all know it.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find ones like that of Scott Parker or Jermaine Jenas.

 

[NoahCity]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

So, are what people saying is that we need another midfielder brought in to play as guy to break up plays as Fernandinho and Yaya are both attack minded mids? I have always thought Fernandinho was someone who tacked/broke up plays and attacked.

 

[LoveCity]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

Fernandinho is an all-rounder but is adventurous. He had a grafter type next to him when I watched Shakhtar. I also raised a few questions about this Yaya/Fernandinho partnership and the balance of it (but NO, I would not sell Yaya... his experience and qualities are important). They are fairly similar players so one of them is going to have to be disciplined you would think. Problem is, is you keep Fernandinho back you're stripping him of some of his best qualities (box-to-box runs, great dribbling, powerful shot). Keep Yaya back and, well, he just can't break up play effectively. So it will be interesting. One solution is a third midfielder (Garcia/Barry) but that would be fairly negative when we could play two and an extra striker or playmaker. Previously linked with us but Matuidi would be a top signing for the holding role... or the club may have faith in Garcia. Hard to see either Yaya or 'dinho benched though.

 

[BigOscar]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

That's just it, we don't need an out and out holding midfielder, we just need both of our central midfielders to do their bit defensively and the collective effort of the two of them will be enough. Fernandinho offers that, but Yaya didn't last season. If you're going to play in a two man midfield then you both have to attack and you both have to defend, together.

 

[kun]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

That's just it, we don't need an out and out holding midfielder, we just need both of our central midfielders to do their bit defensively and the collective effort of the two of them will be enough. Fernandinho offers that, but Yaya didn't last season. If you're going to play in a two man midfield then you both have to attack and you both have to defend, together.

Last season Yaya had a purely defensive midfielder next to him (Garcia/Barry).
Next year Yaya (if playing in a two) will sit deep and play the ball around letting Dinho do most of the work and then exploit teams that start tiring with his attacking runs. And when he makes these runs, that is when Fernandinho will cover for him and sit back.

 

[ninjamonkey]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

crazy to suggest getting rid of him. He's a key man for us and will be vital if we are to win the league next season. yes Fernandinho is somebody who likes the odd burst forward but that doesn't automatically mean he needs a holding midfielder with him. Both him and yaya are more than capable both defensively and offensively. There's no reason why they both can't play together and do both. They just need time together to develop an understanding between them so they can learn when to go and when to sit.

 

[BigOscar]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

That's just it, we don't need an out and out holding midfielder, we just need both of our central midfielders to do their bit defensively and the collective effort of the two of them will be enough. Fernandinho offers that, but Yaya didn't last season. If you're going to play in a two man midfield then you both have to attack and you both have to defend, together.

Last season Yaya had a purely defensive midfielder next to him (Garcia/Barry).
Next year Yaya (if playing in a two) will sit deep and play the ball around letting Dinho do most of the work and then exploit teams that start tiring with his attacking runs. And when he makes these runs, that is when Fernandinho will cover for him and sit back.

So you think Yaya strolling around while Javi or Barry got completely overun was a tactical decision? Interestng, I never thought of it that way, I always just assumed he was just too lazy to try covering back. I hope you're right and he does play differently next year, or better yet we switch to a 3 man midfield against better teams

 

[kun]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

That's just it, we don't need an out and out holding midfielder, we just need both of our central midfielders to do their bit defensively and the collective effort of the two of them will be enough. Fernandinho offers that, but Yaya didn't last season. If you're going to play in a two man midfield then you both have to attack and you both have to defend, together.

Last season Yaya had a purely defensive midfielder next to him (Garcia/Barry).
Next year Yaya (if playing in a two) will sit deep and play the ball around letting Dinho do most of the work and then exploit teams that start tiring with his attacking runs. And when he makes these runs, that is when Fernandinho will cover for him and sit back.

So you think Yaya strolling around while Javi or Barry got completely overun was a tactical decision? Interestng, I never thought of it that way, I always just assumed he was just too lazy to try covering back. I hope you're right and he does play differently next year, or better yet we switch to a 3 man midfield against better teams

Well, not entirely. I think that he was lazy and was meant to help out more often than he did, but the holding player next to him gave him freedom to get forward knowing someone would be there to cover at all times, next year (if he loses some weight) will be more defensively aware as this will have been told to him in depth. He will share the defensive responsibilities with Dinho and possibly Garcia or Rodwell in tougher games (Champions League in particular)

 

[citizens_1976]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

I just LOL'zzzzzd at this post. Embarrassing and ridiculous to even think we should sell Yaya. Some people really don't have a clue about football, god help why we have fans like this. I know it's a matter of opinions, but sell him... Really??? Our highest scoring midfielder? Laughable is an understatement.