Yaya - a time to cash in?

[Jaffamandango]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

I don't believe I have to be in this instance, its ridiculous stupid, ignorant, rag opinion to get rid of our strongest midfielder.

The guy who scares the rags so hard, our powerhouse.

At the moment YaYa and Frenandinho seem a great partnership, who should we swap them for Cleverly or Anderson.

Sorry man that's bull crap, respect our CHAMPIONS!!

I respect your views, but is this not a discussion forum? You or anyone else may not see my views but to call me a rag for discussing the possibility of selling in my pinion a guy who is vastly over paid in our current structure, who only shows up when it suits, whose lack of stamina is becoming worse, and his value will never be as high, not to mention the position he will be expected to play is the position most fans were berating Mancini for not letting him loose, my main problem was this and we would be better looking at a specialised player in that position rather than a jack of all trades. Don't get me wrong he's been fantastic for us but I feel for the TEAM to move on it might be worth having someone who would turn up each game

How can he have all these negative attributes but still hold a high value?

Emperors new clothes! Living on reputation. Mancini was the same.<br /><br />-- Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:07 am --<br /><br />

We need talent coming in, not going out


Besides, who would pay the fee we want AND the wages Yaya requires? It would have to be PSG, Monaco or some Russian club. Not sure he would be interested.

Sensible post! Be hard to get anyone to pay the wages we've offered previously

 

[kun]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

Yaya needs to lose weight and play for the benefit of the team more often, last season he seemed lazy and out of shape (quite possibly down to burnout as HE NEVER GOT RESTED), yet still managed to help keep the best defensive record in the league and bag 9 goals from midfield.

He is experienced (won champions league, FA Cup, Premier League, La Liga (twice) and the Copa del Rey as well as the leagues in Cote d'Ivoire and Greece), he is strong, he is fast, he is a good passer and a good finisher. He can tackle and intercept (although these aren't his strong points) and is versatile (he can play behind the striker, central/defensive midfield and at centre-back). He is a jack of all trades, but certainly not a master of none. (for definition of this phrase, see Scott Parker)

He is also our 'big-game player'. His best performances last season included Chelsea at home and at Wembley, Real at the Bernabeu, Rags home and away and Liverpool at Anfield.

Also, why sell him when:
A. There is CLEARLY a lot left in him
B. His value is low due to his age
C. He has just signed a new contract

Hopefully him and Dinho can form a formidable midfield partnership and this type of nonsense will be shut down.

 

[johnmc]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

Why has this become the kypton factor? Read the original post and all will be revealed, there are 2 names there.

Fair enough. Overlooked that. Would be a massive mistake replacing Yaya with either of them. We have enough players like that and we only need one. If you had mentioned those two before we bought Ferdy then fine there's a debate. But you would take out so much by removing Yaya and the only people that would be happy would be the rags as they are shit scared of him.

However Sunderland wouldn't be happy there would be 11 men on the pitch lol. I personally think Fernandinho is similar to Yaya in a way, but more agile and dynamic, I think we need that agility to expand to the BWm/defensive midfielder.

Lets see how Ferdy settles. Lets see if Rodwell can stay injury free and lets see if Yaya just had a below par season. To take Yaya out and replace with someone unproven in the league is too big a risk.

If Ferdy settles Rodwell stays fit and Yaya has a poor season then next year may be a different discussion from me. I think Yaya will be immense this season though.

 

[Jaffamandango]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

I don't believe I have to be in this instance, its ridiculous stupid, ignorant, rag opinion to get rid of our strongest midfielder.

The guy who scares the rags so hard, our powerhouse.

At the moment YaYa and Frenandinho seem a great partnership, who should we swap them for Cleverly or Anderson.

Sorry man that's bull crap, respect our CHAMPIONS!!

I respect your views, but is this not a discussion forum? You or anyone else may not see my views but to call me a rag for discussing the possibility of selling in my pinion a guy who is vastly over paid in our current structure, who only shows up when it suits, whose lack of stamina is becoming worse, and his value will never be as high, not to mention the position he will be expected to play is the position most fans were berating Mancini for not letting him loose, my main problem was this and we would be better looking at a specialised player in that position rather than a jack of all trades. Don't get me wrong he's been fantastic for us but I feel for the TEAM to move on it might be worth having someone who would turn up each game

OK I'll change out of my skin and not be a ****, my question is how much could you sell him for??

Let me hear!!!

I'm still shouting out fuck the free world!!

Fuck United! Scum bag rag basrtards

That's a question I can't really answer, and a good one! But the saving on wages alone would probably buy a gondogan or someone, problem would be the fee if we got close to 20m, I'd say it would be a good move 20m plus whatever he's wages over the years would buy you world class.

-- Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:14 am --

Fair enough. Overlooked that. Would be a massive mistake replacing Yaya with either of them. We have enough players like that and we only need one. If you had mentioned those two before we bought Ferdy then fine there's a debate. But you would take out so much by removing Yaya and the only people that would be happy would be the rags as they are shit scared of him.

However Sunderland wouldn't be happy there would be 11 men on the pitch lol. I personally think Fernandinho is similar to Yaya in a way, but more agile and dynamic, I think we need that agility to expand to the BWm/defensive midfielder.

Lets see how Ferdy settles. Lets see if Rodwell can stay injury free and lets see if Yaya just had a below par season. To take Yaya out and replace with someone unproven in the league is too big a risk.

If Ferdy settles Rodwell stays fit and Yaya has a poor season then next year may be a different discussion from me. I think Yaya will be immense this season though.

Agreed it could be a risk, but so is getting rid of tevez. I agree with what your saying but my doubt is that he will have an immense season.<br /><br />-- Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:14 am --<br /><br />

Fair enough. Overlooked that. Would be a massive mistake replacing Yaya with either of them. We have enough players like that and we only need one. If you had mentioned those two before we bought Ferdy then fine there's a debate. But you would take out so much by removing Yaya and the only people that would be happy would be the rags as they are shit scared of him.

However Sunderland wouldn't be happy there would be 11 men on the pitch lol. I personally think Fernandinho is similar to Yaya in a way, but more agile and dynamic, I think we need that agility to expand to the BWm/defensive midfielder.

Lets see how Ferdy settles. Lets see if Rodwell can stay injury free and lets see if Yaya just had a below par season. To take Yaya out and replace with someone unproven in the league is too big a risk.

If Ferdy settles Rodwell stays fit and Yaya has a poor season then next year may be a different discussion from me. I think Yaya will be immense this season though.

Agreed it could be a risk, but so is getting rid of tevez. I agree with what your saying but my doubt is that he will have an immense season.

 

[leewill31]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

he's a jack of all trades but a master of none whose value is only going to decrease parallel to his stamina.

no matter his value the experience could never be replaced

Yes when he runs at defences he's frightening, but that won't be his job next season, and as a defensive player I find him very lazy and petulant at times.

he will share the role of defending and attacking with with Dinho there wont be much difference to what he has done the past few seasons

he could be a possible weak link

this is just crazy talk now

 

[obliquerays]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

Definitely going to put the cat amongst the pigeons with this one.

I think we are in a perfect position to sell him and aquire a specialised player like kondogbia or gundogan. I know most people will be like, he's our best player, he's a beast, he won us the fa cup and the title.

However let me paint another picture, he's a jack of all trades but a master of none whose value is only going to decrease parallel to his stamina. Yes when he runs at defences he's frightening, but that won't be his job next season, and as a defensive player I find him very lazy and petulant at times. There is no doubt he's been a hero for us but I think now is a time we think of whole team dynamics and I can't help think, he could be a possible weak link, especially with his stamina and tendencies to go missing even tho he was alledgly pro Mancini.

So cash in or keep?

You might just about, conceivably, maybe have held on to a semblance of a sliver of credibility, if you'd only left that bold bit off your post .... perhaps.

He's masterful at most things imo.

 

[Mrmcfc]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

If he loses about 2 stone he can stay for me.
Needs to improve his fitness and imo his performances will benefit greatly.

There was a picture of him when he first arrived compared with him this season, and his weight gain is very noticeable. Why its been allowed to happen is beyond me, considering they have staff dedicated to making sure players are looking after themselves.

He's a beast, no doubt about it. But he needs to sort himself out with a solid pre season.

 

[Jaffamandango]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

If he loses about 2 stone he can stay for me.
Needs to improve his fitness and imo his performances will benefit greatly.

There was a picture of him when he first arrived compared with him this season, and his weight gain is very noticeable. Why its been allowed to happen is beyond me, considering they have staff dedicated to making sure players are looking after themselves.

He's a beast, no doubt about it. But he needs to apart himself out with a solid pre season.

Good point well made! Without the usual tones of x is a god and can't do no wrong. I hope this is the scenario but I just can't see him being as vital to us as he was.

 

[BigOscar]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

Personally, I'd have sold him instead of giving him the new deal. For me, he was the biggest contributor to our problems last year, especially in the CL. He just doesn't defend, or even try to! It's okay if we play him in the more advanced role, but as part of our deep two then he was a complete liability, leaving whoever he was with out to dry. Don't even get me started on his complete refusal to track near post runners at corners.
For me, Fernandinho was the perfect replacement. People on here seem to think he's a holding midfielder, but he's got a lot more going forwards than that. I honestly fear for him if he plays alongside Yaya in a two though, as noone can hold the middle of the ptch on their own, especially against better opposition. I have lost all trust in Yaya as a central midfielder, we could play him as an attacking midfielder, but I'd much rather play Silva or Nasri there.

If someone offered £20m for him, I'd bite their hand off. We need reliable players who can work and press as a team if we are going to go places, not a player who is going to do fuck all, all game, except make a couple of match of the day bursts forwards. Hopefully Pellegrini can get him to actually play and work for the team, but I have srrious concerns

 

[kun]

Re: Yaya - a time to cash in

Definitely going to put the cat amongst the pigeons with this one.

I think we are in a perfect position to sell him and aquire a specialised player like kondogbia or gundogan. I know most people will be like, he's our best player, he's a beast, he won us the fa cup and the title.

However let me paint another picture, he's a jack of all trades but a master of none whose value is only going to decrease parallel to his stamina. Yes when he runs at defences he's frightening, but that won't be his job next season, and as a defensive player I find him very lazy and petulant at times. There is no doubt he's been a hero for us but I think now is a time we think of whole team dynamics and I can't help think, he could be a possible weak link, especially with his stamina and tendencies to go missing even tho he was alledgly pro Mancini.

So cash in or keep?

You might just about, conceivably, maybe have held on to a semblance of a sliver of credibility if you'd left that bold bit off your post .... perhaps.

He's masterful at most things imo.

Agreed.

(All last season)

Passing:

Right foot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc07_DodKNk[/youtube]

Left foot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPKbQzXQ4es[/youtube]


Shooting:

Right foot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YF_NMmJLWU[/youtube]

Left foot
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWFZuWLXeOM[/youtube]


Dribbling:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iouQG0wGq0[/youtube]

'His' forward runs:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXf8_gVti0M[/youtube]



Now, for some statistics.

Successful passes:

In the final third:

Over 35 yards:

(Based on City careers) he is also our best goalscoring midfielder (0.21 goals per game) over Rodwell (0.13), Barry (0.05), Garcia (0.08), Milner (0.1), Silva (0.13), Nasri (0.13) and Sinclair (0).
The only midfielder with a better goals per game ratio at City is Marcos Lopes, with 1 in 1.


But don't let statistics and facts get in the way, he clearly isn't good enough and should be shipped off to the highest bidder.