Yaya Toure

There's few better sights in football than Yaya at full flight with opposition players bouncing off him.


To the point, if we never signed Yaya, we probably wouldn't have won a league title yet...Can't say that for any other player.
 
Scored one of the winning goals in the last 2 finals I went to and played well both times. He'll be remembered as one of the players who started our golden period.
 
Yes he is the best player of "the" generation by miles anyone who says otherwise has not been watching us the last 6 years
 
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

I think Yaya has reached the point where he can't get around the pitch quickly enough to make his quality count and that affects his ability to impose himself on the game, and it also affects defensive players who have to spend more time closing the opposition down, and it affects offensive players because he is less able to get up in support of play and take men away from the man on the ball. That's what I was getting at with regards
to Silva. It's easier to shut Silva down
now because Yaya is pedestrian and City's build up play has slowed as a result.

It is easier to criticise the players out there when the results dip. Maybe there is no alternative, and Silva, De Bruyne and any other combination would fare no better, but I expected Yaya to struggle
this season, and I think Pellegrini should have anticipated this, and prepared for it. The man is a man mountain. Lampard was lean. He could go on and on. Yaya is at the other end of the scale. Once the engine goes, it's going to grind to a halt.

Sorry not got much to add that hasn't
already been said. Hopefully the Bournemouth game goes well. having won the League Cup, qualification for the Champions League and Champions League semi-finalists will be a good season, but it's in the balance. Toure has been the key to our success so for me it's natural that this topic gets so much attention.
When he dips City dip because we haven't
prepared for it.
I agree with
most of what you say only that an outsider that reads your posts would get the impression that 85% of our troubles this season stems from Yaya being in the starting line-up and then various issues such as momentary loss of concentration and lack of leadership at the back without skippo, recurring injuries
suffered by skippo, limited crossing ability with our reliable FBs, Demi's form (don't get it twisted, he's proved his abilities for us in recent past), limited creativity with some of our CMs, Silva's struggles, ineffective Navas, Nasri
sidelined, Sterling awesome today and awful the next (this is allowed since he's
still growing, but the amounts of times he looses possession is surely a problem), even Aguero is not the 'hot' Aguero we all have come to know, this season. All these and more make up the other 15% perhaps. You see, I understand Silva is going through, perhaps, the hardest time in his city career. But to put it down on someone else is a little bit OTT, imo. I know Yaya could do more to help because Silva is often targeted by opposition but guess what, Yaya is also a major target for opposition. The same sentiment that you use to subscribe that Yaya could do more to help the attack is the same sentiment that another might use to require that Silva gets to the thick of things in the middle and make us more solid in the middle of the park. That's all I have to say fornow
 
I agree with
most of what you say only that an outsider that reads your posts would get the impression that 85% of our troubles this season stems from Yaya being in the starting line-up and then various issues such as momentary loss of concentration and lack of leadership at the back without skippo, recurring injuries
suffered by skippo, limited crossing ability with our reliable FBs, Demi's form (don't get it twisted, he's proved his abilities for us in recent past), limited creativity with some of our CMs, Silva's struggles, ineffective Navas, Nasri
sidelined, Sterling awesome today and awful the next (this is allowed since he's
still growing, but the amounts of times he looses possession is surely a problem), even Aguero is not the 'hot' Aguero we all have come to know, this season. All these and more make up the other 15% perhaps. You see, I understand Silva is going through, perhaps, the hardest time in his city career. But to put it down on someone else is a little bit OTT, imo. I know Yaya could do more to help because Silva is often targeted by opposition but guess what, Yaya is also a major target for opposition. The same sentiment that you use to subscribe that Yaya could do more to help the attack is the same sentiment that another might use to require that Silva gets to the thick of things in the middle and make us more solid in the middle of the park. That's all I have to say fornow

Our attacking players are left completely isolated and 9/10 times have no room to turn because there's no runners from central midfield dragging players away and running past them. Yaya's lack of ability to get up and down the pitch means he struggles to support the attack, he also struggles to support the defence which means we have to play a holding midfielder with him so you're automatically two players down who can get forward and make runs.

Fernando is a pure holding midfielder so he isn't a real option in an attacking sense which leaves Delph, who could be the perfect foil for Fernandinho but Pellegrini wont pick him above Yaya even when he is fit. Play a three man midfield with Yaya and you're still two runners short in attack even though it gives Yaya a bit more license to stay forward when he does eventually get up there but then you're an attacking player short. As good as Yaya is on the ball it's pointless if the rest of the team have to play with the handbrake on to accommodate him. The team comes before individuals, however loyal some fans are regarding Yaya because of the odd moment of magic.
 
I agree with
most of what you say only that an outsider that reads your posts would get the impression that 85% of our troubles this season stems from Yaya being in the starting line-up and then various issues such as momentary loss of concentration and lack of leadership at the back without skippo, recurring injuries
suffered by skippo, limited crossing ability with our reliable FBs, Demi's form (don't get it twisted, he's proved his abilities for us in recent past), limited creativity with some of our CMs, Silva's struggles, ineffective Navas, Nasri
sidelined, Sterling awesome today and awful the next (this is allowed since he's
still growing, but the amounts of times he looses possession is surely a problem), even Aguero is not the 'hot' Aguero we all have come to know, this season. All these and more make up the other 15% perhaps. You see, I understand Silva is going through, perhaps, the hardest time in his city career. But to put it down on someone else is a little bit OTT, imo. I know Yaya could do more to help because Silva is often targeted by opposition but guess what, Yaya is also a major target for opposition. The same sentiment that you use to subscribe that Yaya could do more to help the attack is the same sentiment that another might use to require that Silva gets to the thick of things in the middle and make us more solid in the middle of the park. That's all I have to say fornow

When Toure was at his rampaging best it made sense to build our team around him. The team was so good we didn't do that. Everything worked, everyone held their own. But now we are playing Toure and adjusting our old 442 to a 451 to cover for Toure's immobility. If we are prepared to do that for a player then we should do it for a player in their prime. A De Bruyne, Aguero, or Silva. His stats are not good enough to do that. Goals scored: 6. Assists way way down. What we get for packing the midfield is not enough to warrant the change.

We'd have been better off playing Aguero and Iheanacho together or Aguero alongside Sterling (instead of asking Sterling to play as a tucked in left winger to help bolster the midfield). Too many accommodations being made like this all over the pitch to enable Toure to play, and the return does not warrant it.

It's absolutely ridiculous that a team with our players can't put two back to back wins together. A big part of it comes down to the set up with Toure. He should have been dropped a long time ago
 
It's absolutely ridiculous that a team with our players can't put two back to back wins together. A big part of it comes down to the set up with Toure. He should have been dropped a long time ago

Our performances this season without Toure, suggest that dropping him wouldn't have been the right solution to our problems.
 
Our performances this season without Toure, suggest that dropping him wouldn't have been the right solution to our problems.

It's naive to come to those conclusions when the games Toure hasn't played in have been so sporadic. Partnerships take time to develop, the odd game here and there isn't enough to write them off. I'm not saying a different partnership would work with our current choices but persisting with Yaya isn't working and the issues are so obvious every team in the top 8 has exploited them. When things are so clearly not working is insane to keep trying the same things over and over and over again and expecting different results.
 

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