Boro Post Match thread

[burnley blue mcfc]

Correct but misleading stat which makes it appear we have no fight. How about WBA away a few years back - Milner sent off in the 1st half, we go 1-0 down in 2nd half but win 2-1 with a last minute Dzeko goal having played an hour with 10 men.

Come on mate we all know you cant let facts get in the way of a good reason for the gutter press to slag us off ;)

 

[slick]

Not for the first time this season we were off the pace for a long time and looked like doing nothing, it appears we need to concede before we wake up and start playing.

Against United we were on it from the first whistle albeit only getting a point from the match because they defended like their lives depended on it, had we gone into every game with that mentality we'd be up there fighting for the title now.

 

[Maldeika]

Did he really build teams at Barca/Bayern though? Pretty sure it was all set up for him. I've seen nothing this season to suggest he was worth the wait .

Totally underwhelmed.

Yes. He has. If you would know German I would send you into the official German Bayern Forum and let you see how much we miss his tactics, his strategies, the way he develops players etc. We know have a old lad who does not play the players to their strenghts, does not change his tactics, the players passing etc. got worse, the young players even if they were already established before do not get playing time - instead we have the oldest team on the pitch we ever had and a motionless coach that chews chewing gum on the sidelines. The geriatrics in the team are allowed to play no matter how good they still are... We are talking about a team that last season had various tactics on board and could switch from one to the other in seconds...

In the first year he still tried to get us to play more Barcelona than Bayern - but the more he got to know our players the more he adapted to their strengths. There is only two things I would really critisize him for - his away tactics in which he "castrated" the offense for ball control and that always backfired (we had the away matches always first) - and that he sometimes wanted it to perfect at times when it was not necessary.

 

[CelesteItis]

It was not that bad, no time for fanny wetting and wrist slicing over an away draw.
Boro was desperate for survival, and we just played the scum a couple days ago.
I'll take the rescued point.
As you were.

 

[SWP's back]

Second half was enjoyable.

I'm just looking forward to having a decent keeper and full/wing backs next season.

 

[hilts]

If you dont remember the first one, it's hard to think you were watching the game. He barged KDB over like it was a bar-room brawl. Also, Downing's handball was a stone dead penalty.

No it wasn't and that just confirms your complete bias and lack of any rationality when discussing a city game

 

[Scar Tissue]

Most positive thing to come out of this game IMO was the Aguero-Gabriel combination. Looked very exciting. Full of promise when you think it's the first time they've really played together. Their movement around each other was in the main quite fluid.

Nice link-ups in general play. Should have resulted in an early Gabriel goal, did result in the late equaliser.

Hoping like hell Sergio's injury isn't serious but it didn't look particularly good. He seemed in major discomfort coming off the field.

 

[harvo the blue]

many felt during Derby that Sane should be rested - check the match thread . He was .,,but perhaps a little too soon - get the goal First and then take him off if not performing as well as he should ?

Defence ball watching for 2 goals today . Man mark and risk is virtually nullified .

Players can be Knackered after Derby. Many on here have said as much

Missing key player like Silva is problematic - put Garcia in. But he didn't perform as well as we would like and Pep needs to make sure the lad doesn't take any blame onto himself . Can lose confidence.

Silva at 31 is staying - minimum 2 years ? Who else can you get as an advanced playmaker . Possibly our player of year ?? Consistent .

Changes formation yet again with the 3 at back - repercussions . No settled side . Players are creatures of habit .

Has to get some settled team only Sane, Silva, GJ , Aguero ,Stones and Our beloved Bravo are guaranteed a game every week . Bravo will improve but need another. He may stick with the current 2 goalkeepers next season. love him to go for Costa Rican -K Navas ( Real Madrid) who would definitely be unhappy at Real If they replace him with De Gea . Joe Hart anyone ?

Kompany if fit plays every 2nd game for sure . He will probably keep Ottomendi I think . Hope we get more defenders - Cb, RB, LB needed .

Midfield is another problem .
Kimmich to come in ? box to box defensive midfielder - gets odd goal as well and he's also central defender - pep's type of utility player . Only 22 .

Certainly 1-2 midfielders needed

Messi ? To come in as a Forward -am
I'm Dreaming ? Sanchez too?

Amazing we lost only 6 games when we won League in 2014 . Lost only 6 games so far this season . We are at 66 points and 4 to play . We only got 66 points total last season yet finished 4th!
If we had less draws more wins especially at home this season we would be in with a shout of title. More Goals needed too . There needs to be some fine tuning IMO.

Rest for a big game next week Get ahead of rivals hopefully

He had to change it 100% but for mer we need fullbacks playing in natural positions, 442 all day long with 2 strikers & has to keep playing Sterling & Sane.

If no Silva we are struggling & to leave Yaya out or was he injured not sure but those 2 are our ball machines KDB isn't the answer to run the show simply hides to much or gives it away.

Midfield 2 should have been Yaya & Nando

Sagna & Clichy at full backs & Otemendi & Kolarov in the middle.

Resting yesterday should have been Vinny-KDB-Dino

And you GK problem Kpe Hart not a chance, I've seen him many times this year & his distribution is 3 out of 10, saving not bad but mistakes far to many.

Compared to Bravo then put them both together we may have a keeper showstopper with great feet.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Yes. He has. If you would know German I would send you into the official German Bayern Forum and let you see how much we miss his tactics, his strategies, the way he develops players etc. We know have a old lad who does not play the players to their strenghts, does not change his tactics, the players passing etc. got worse, the young players even if they were already established before do not get playing time - instead we have the oldest team on the pitch we ever had and a motionless coach that chews chewing gum on the sidelines. The geriatrics in the team are allowed to play no matter how good they still are... We are talking about a team that last season had various tactics on board and could switch from one to the other in seconds...

In the first year he still tried to get us to play more Barcelona than Bayern - but the more he got to know our players the more he adapted to their strengths. There is only two things I would really critisize him for - his away tactics in which he "castrated" the offense for ball control and that always backfired (we had the away matches always first) - and that he sometimes wanted it to perfect at times when it was not necessary.

I didn't realise Pellegrini had moved to Bayern.

 

[mosssideblue]

Why are people so convinced it will be different next year when Pep brings in his own players ?

A decent manager can make the team greater than the sum of its parts

How's about trying to get the best out of the players he has?

Because surely, he would have to compromise his style this season to do that. So you advocate we dont start his style till next season whereby the whole team(whoever that might be), has to land running. No- for me he is right to stick with his principles this season to give us a good start for next. We should still make chumps league doing it this way, so no real damage done imo.

 

[mosssideblue]

The club clearly want us to play in a certain way (as Soriano himself has said) but at the current time we have players not really fit for that job, that's why we struggled last season and aren't really ripping up trees this season. This window is critical as we have a lot of players out of contract and we really need to bring in players that are capable of playing the way Guardiola/the club want. Hopefully by the start of the season we will have a much stronger and younger squad that have been bought for the way we intend to play.

Spot on, but sadly that doesn't pacify the "I want to win everything now" fans

 

[lee_wsm]

He's done alright so far(Adams).
Luggy was my favourite.

Agree with that

 

[yerwot?]

Grim future for the club. Turns out the manager is " clueless, arrogant, the prem is too much for him to cope with, he ignores the youth setup, worst of all he ignores the advice from the fans. To cap it all he's fkn bald.....
What we need is RM back or MP or MH , not to mention NDJ, and JH.
We need "passion" not passing, nowt wrong with a bit of thuggery it's a contact game ffs
When did Silva last break someones leg. Kin lightweight.Sterling hardly ever gets a red card, no passion. KdB, having the most assists in the prem means fk all if you dont show "passion", when will he learn??
What we need is BFS, shawcross, charlie adam, skrtl, ramos, pepe, crouch (good feet for a big man) cattermole, shame about barton, he had " passion" , same goes andy morrison. Bellamy could be used as a mentor for the academy,he knew how to stir a game into life.
All this shit about possession being better than lumping it long can then be kicked into touch at last, the spanish duo need to go as well, charlatans if you ask me. Pep, listen to the fans, they dont want (deserve?)you , all the excuses about half the team knowing their contracts wont be renewed, the age of the squad, the atmosphere that is deafeningly missing, are just a smoke-screen, you have been out-coached by journey-man managers who "know the prem" .
F.F.S ......

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Because surely, he would have to compromise his style this season to do that. So you advocate we dont start his style till next season whereby the whole team(whoever that might be), has to land running. No- for me he is right to stick with his principles this season to give us a good start for next. We should still make chumps league doing it this way, so no real damage done imo.

Have you seen our results since the last time we played Boro away in the cup. I`m very concerned we wont get in the Champions League and the effect it would have on our ability to purchase the players we need to compete with the best.

 

[mosssideblue]

Have you seen our results since the last time we played Boro away in the cup. I`m very concerned we wont get in the Champions League and the effect it would have on our ability to purchase the players we need to compete with the best.

Your prerogative to think that - but that was then and this is now. Our run in is as favourable as any and should see us there

 

[lee_wsm]

Until we have strong options on the bench we won't be strong enough. If you want to aim to win the league and champions league you need to be able to bring game changers on. Our top players look overly tired and in need of a rest bit no one can take their place.

 

[HorlocksWalk]

Grim future for the club. Turns out the manager is " clueless, arrogant, the prem is too much for him to cope with, he ignores the youth setup, worst of all he ignores the advice from the fans. To cap it all he's fkn bald.....
What we need is RM back or MP or MH , not to mention NDJ, and JH.
We need "passion" not passing, nowt wrong with a bit of thuggery it's a contact game ffs
When did Silva last break someones leg. Kin lightweight.Sterling hardly ever gets a red card, no passion. KdB, having the most assists in the prem means fk all if you dont show "passion", when will he learn??
What we need is BFS, shawcross, charlie adam, skrtl, ramos, pepe, crouch (good feet for a big man) cattermole, shame about barton, he had " passion" , same goes andy morrison. Bellamy could be used as a mentor for the academy,he knew how to stir a game into life.
All this shit about possession being better than lumping it long can then be kicked into touch at last, the spanish duo need to go as well, charlatans if you ask me. Pep, listen to the fans, they dont want (deserve?)you , all the excuses about half the team knowing their contracts wont be renewed, the age of the squad, the atmosphere that is deafeningly missing, are just a smoke-screen, you have been out-coached by journey-man managers who "know the prem" .
F.F.S ......

I think you could have a point in the early part of your post. We went from Mark Hughes (Short back and sides) to Bobby (Swept back Italian classic cut) to Pelle (Full on Mullet). To bring Pep in just doesn't fell like progression.

 

[Danish Blue]

As has been mentioned I am sure, without Silva looks like we are trying to cracking a nut with a sledgehammer and missing. Previously we would have slotted Yaya in there but he plays so deep these days he doesn't do it either. With no full backs overlapping we are faced with relying on Sane and Sterling, when we don't even start them it's mission impossible for Aguero and or Jesus as there will be 6 defenders which you can throw a tea towel over in the middle. Looking at the starting line up yesterday I am at a loss as to where it was suppose to happen.

 

[PragueBlue]

As has been mentioned I am sure, without Silva looks like we are trying to cracking a nut with a sledgehammer and missing. Previously we would have slotted Yaya in there but he plays so deep these days he doesn't do it either. With no full backs overlapping we are faced with relying on Sane and Sterling, when we don't even start them it's mission impossible for Aguero and or Jesus as there will be 6 defenders which you can throw a tea towel over in the middle. Looking at the starting line up yesterday I am at a loss as to where it was suppose to happen.

I assume KDB was supposed to be the creative one but he's not really firing on all cylinders at present and rarely looks effective against teams that defend deeply.

 

[Ric]

It was a very disappointing performance yesterday, but no great surprise after seeing the starting XI. Also, you have to factor in the physical toll of the semi-final and the derby. Three tough games in seven days.

I'm not sure anyone other than Guardiola thought that Clichy and Navas as wing backs would be a success though. I'm certain that we'll be much improved next season, as his hands are tied somewhat at the moment with the players at his disposal, but he's not infallible and has made some bad calls this season.

Hopefully we can use the upcoming home games to ensure a top four finish, and then rebuild in the summer. The squad needs a big overhaul, and I'm looking forward to seeing how Guardiola shapes it for next season.