General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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Chippy_boy said:
As I say, they are already paying 12x more tax than someone who earns 4x less.
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This isn't an argument. Stop saying it. It's a quirk of statistics. People are taxed on a percentage of their relative income. Then using the absolute value to determine fairness is complete bollocks because we've already determined that taxation fairness is decided by relative incomes by the very measure of every economic system used by humans on the globe using a relative tax system.

It's really, really, really, really dumb point to make when you're making other intelligent and semi-intelligent points.
 
Ban-jani said:
We've been through this before.

Why are you regurgitating this again?

She should be no where near parliament in my opinion but I'm not a Tory fan boy so I can say that.
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Even a Tory fan boy would say it. He could start a thread on her but everyone would call her a **** and move on. That wouldn't help his rather pitiful deflection tactic that nobody has fallen for.

I find it strange that a handful of posters can't be honest about balaclava mans history. They are obviously a bit embarrassed voting for such a man.
 
Damocles said:
You're free to your opinion on the matter, but just know that by many economists trick down economics is considered a disastrously wrong and disproven idea.
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It obviously does work that is just common sense, the amount of benefit you get from it is open to debate
 
jay_mcfc said:
He can be as biased as he wants as far as I'm concerned as long as he doesn't bang on and on about Corbyn and the IRA. The fact that this is cropping up their campaign shows how desperate they've become. I know it sounds a bit radical but let's stick to policies!
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Irks you a little I guess
 
bluethrunthru said:
However it won't be a battle - she ducked that remember?

Has to be said her strong and stable vibe is crumbling so she needs to have sat through some training for tonight. The bomber gets reported to the authorities several times over the last 5 years yet no-one can say why no action was taken. May was the Home Sec in that time. Only ONE anti terror order is in use despite being vaunted by May - her get out of jail free card there is she gave them the tools its up to the Police to use them..... and her answer to Monday is to set up a commission to advise the govt on what they need to do to combat terrorism................ COMMISSION TO ADVISE FFS !! PM and former Home Secretary needs advice...................... total admission she is fucking clueless - hope Paxman goes for the jugular on the dizzy bitch over this
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Definitely this, heads should roll, especially MI5, for me they should be put up against a wall ,they have failed us, they have failed the children !
 
Chippy_boy said:
I thought I would address this separately.

£80,000 is about £4,500 per month net. Someone on £80,000 perhaps live in a £500,000 house and has a £250,000 mortgage. Then they need to save for a pension and pay for a couple of cars. And say they have two or three kids. Perhaps one or more are at a private school. So, every month,

£1,000 for one child in private education
£1,200 on the mortgage
£500 on the pension
£500 in the car loan
£1,000 for food, household, clothes etc
£200 on the rates
£120 on gas & electric
£80 Sky
£100 phone contracts x 4 people
£300 towards your annual family holiday.

That's £5,000 a month, i.e. your whole income gone, in fact they are going £500 more overdrawn every month. If you have 2 kids at private school, your knackered. And £500 on your pension is not enough. My point is, people on £80,000 are not "rich". They aren't sitting on their arses with pots of money lying around. Money is tight for people on all sorts of income brackets.

EDIT: Pure guesswork above of course. I haven't included house insurance or pet insurance or the new kitchen or the new carpet or the boiler broke or the kids' school trip etc etc etc
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Well maybe they could make do with a £400,000 house and a state school? And pay a bit more tax. Sorry but you've got it pretty good if you can afford a £3,600 holiday, public school and a half million pound house. And £400 per month on mobile phone contracts!? Are we talking £100 for each child's phone!? I do believe we are living in different worlds mate, because you are describing some very comfortable living here.
 
malg said:
I can't understand why she's agreed to this. She's on a hiding to nothing. Once the decision was made to avoid debate with Corbyn, they should have stuck to it, I genuinely can't see what she has to gain by going head to head with him. I certainly don't like Corbyn's stance on the IRA, or Palestinian terrorists, or any terrorists for that matter, but any high ground May had will certainly have been eroded given what you've mentioned, and especially if Paxman goes for her (it'll be interesting to see if Corbyn gets stuck in as well). May will probably go for a lot of deflecting tactics by talking about Corbyn's past with terrorists, and could even try to highlight a few of the Shadow Cabinet - can't see Paxman allowing that though.

I genuinely can't see the Conservatives gaining anything from this, and with the polls closing it could turn out to be a bad move.
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I think their problem has been solely to concentrate on Labours perceived weaknesses, namely Corbyn and Abbot being some sort of terrorist/IRA sympathisers who will make Gerry Adams Home Secretary if they get elected. The only real policy they've announced has been met with derision by their own supporters and she can't fall back on her own record as PM, because she hasn't really got one, nor can she rely on her record as Home Secretary because that's starting to look worse by the minute. Now we're at the business end of the campaign people are sick of reading the same negative dross in the Mail and Sun and want to know what the Tories will do and, when you've spent the last month saying nothing positive, other than Strong & Stable, it's difficult to break the habit.
 
FFS what is paxman on about? completely ignoring the manifesto and waffling on about the queen, I know he's a one nation tory and would be hostile to jezza, but this wierd question seems irelevant.
 
Damocles said:
This isn't an argument. Stop saying it. It's a quirk of statistics. People are taxed on a percentage of their relative income. Then using the absolute value to determine fairness is complete bollocks because we've already determined that taxation fairness is decided by relative incomes by the very measure of every economic system used by humans on the globe using a relative tax system.

It's really, really, really, really dumb point to make when you're making other intelligent and semi-intelligent points.
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Very interesting you should say that. It says a lot.

It's useful to point out to people just how much extra tax the better off pay already.

It's certainly not a "quirk of statistics", it's true across the board: better off people already pay a disportionately high amount of tax.

Sorry if that is damaging to your flawed arguments.

Btw someone on 120k a year pays 24x as much tax as someone on 20k.

6 times the income, 24 times the tax. Already. Before Corbyn wants to penalise the better off even further.

This needs to be made a big deal of and it's very revealing you trying to shut me up.
 
Stuuuuuu said:
Well maybe they could make do with a £400,000 house and a state school? And pay a bit more tax. Sorry but you've got it pretty good if you can afford a £3,600 holiday, public school and a half million pound house. And £400 per month on mobile phone contracts!? Are we talking £100 for each child's phone!? I do believe we are living in different worlds mate, because you are describing some very comfortable living here.
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£100 for 4 phone contracts. 25 x 4.
 
Stuuuuuu said:
Well maybe they could make do with a £400,000 house and a state school? And pay a bit more tax. Sorry but you've got it pretty good if you can afford a £3,600 holiday, public school and a half million pound house. And £400 per month on mobile phone contracts!? Are we talking £100 for each child's phone!? I do believe we are living in different worlds mate, because you are describing some very comfortable living here.
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So you're saying people on £80k a year should have to move house so the can pay more tax.

Interesting.
 
Did okay with the audience struggled with paxman, the deadheads,public sector workers,class warriors and envy crew will have lapped it up.

I predict Theresa May is about to be savaged very badly indeed.
 
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