Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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Juan King said:
The Tories are an absolute shambles. The pig fucker called a referendum he didn't want, got the result he didn't want and left everyone else to pick up the pieces. The buffoon Boris pretended he was in favour of Brexit to try and further his career, then when he got the result he didn't want, he went missing too. Metal Mickey May spotted he chance and tried her hand, she was so up her own arse she called an unnecessary election, thinking she would easily win. Look how that turned out.

How can anyone have any confidence in this shower of shit to negotiate us out of Europe?
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Metal Mickey had far more personality than May!
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
tbf dont most parties in northern ireland have links with terrorist/ paramilitary groups ? ( not that i agree with there views) the coalition was unavoidable.
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Thats correct but not many have ever formed a coalition govt. Just curious how tory voters can square having to be a partner to an openly homophobic, racist, terrorist supporting group? Strong and stable apparently.
 
CitizenTID said:
Media keep suggesting this gives mandate for a softer Brexit. It does not at all, SNP lost seats and Labour are not a soft Brexit. People keep blatantly lying and trying to shift meanings in our recent politics. Take votes and manifestos as they are, stop trying to change their meaning!
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I don't understand this whole notion of a hard v soft Brexit.

People voted to leave the EU and both a soft and hard Brexit will achieve this. We should take the offer that best suits our economy and if that means staying in the single market and agreeing to a free trade movement then so be it.

You would think that this wouldn't even be up for debate when you consider how people are screaming for increased funding for the NHS and national security.
 
Juan King said:
The Tories are an absolute shambles. The pig fucker called a referendum he didn't want, got the result he didn't want and left everyone else to pick up the pieces. The buffoon Boris pretended he was in favour of Brexit to try and further his career, then when he got the result he didn't want, he went missing too. Metal Mickey May spotted he chance and tried her hand, she was so up her own arse she called an unnecessary election, thinking she would easily win. Look how that turned out.

How can anyone have any confidence in this shower of shit to negotiate us out of Europe?
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Top top post.
Ain't that the truth!......Whatever your politics?
 
daztrueblue91 said:
I don't understand this whole notion of a hard v soft Brexit.

People voted to leave the EU and both a soft and hard Brexit will achieve this. We should take the offer that best suits our economy and if that means staying in the single market and agreeing to a free trade movement then so be it.

You would think that this wouldn't even be up for debate when you consider how people are screaming for increased funding for the NHS and national security.
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there is a big difference between soft and hard brexit though. if we stay in the customs union and single market we may swell still be in the eu.
 
The perfect fumble said:
No they don't, thank god the Labour party is more than a protest movement.
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Well that's 3 now.
Once is a mistake, twice is a pattern, three times is a habit. Now unlike you, I'll not seek to speak on your behalf, I will however suggest that most habits are bad, and losing elections, and in the process giving the others free reign to tear apart the social fabric of our nation is not any cause for my celebration. I can't think of a better term to apply to perennial electoral also rans than protest movement, if you can feel free to furnish me.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
I don't understand this whole notion of a hard v soft Brexit.

People voted to leave the EU and both a soft and hard Brexit will achieve this. We should take the offer that best suits our economy and if that means staying in the single market and agreeing to a free trade movement then so be it.

You would think that this wouldn't even be up for debate when you consider how people are screaming for increased funding for the NHS and national security.
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One of Labour's key points was to end mass workers coming in from the likes of Poland undercutting wages - the only way they could do that is an end to freedom of movement.

Why would people vote for Brexit but want to remain with freedom of movement? Brexit has to mean an end to freedom of movement and controlled immigration.
 
Bigga said:
You don't seem to realise that this will highly likely force another election in 6 months. Those people that didn't believe that things can change will get on board, INCLUDING the MPs that deserted Corbyn, even if it's the means to get back in and try to oust him further down the line.

This can and will make Labour stronger with the returning tide.

The Jim Smiths of this country will be helped, if you and the other doubters, help too.
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Yes but it's more "well maybe sometime in the future we might be able to help maybe, based on some events lining up".

That still doesnt help Jim today, on his £40 a week.

I'm not in this for glory. I don't care if I get to sit on Twitter or Bluemoon or in my local coffee bar congratulating myself on how we didn't lose as badly as we thought we might. For too many this is all about them, all about how they can feel represented and positive and how they're changing the world.

I'm in it so Jim isn't so hard done to. So we don't live in country where foodbanks are an accepted norm, that people with mental health issues don't get dustbin bundled to some crap CBT group, that we can drop tuition fees and so that we can stop telling transgender people that they're freaks. I'm not interested in your constant three months away revolution, I'm bothered about doing "Blairite crap" like having the biggest investment in public service infrastructure since the end of the second world war. You lot can worry about the Daily Mail, discussing wealth redistribution, reading the latest hot take by Paul Mason and the like of.

Because I don't. I worry about how we can get into power instead. And for that to happen to need to turn Blue seats in England to Red because otherwise it's all pointless. And you don't do that with anti-wealth policies, you don't do that by telling the middle classes that they should be grateful rather than aspirational and you don't do that by saying you're going to start renationalising any industry that isn't rail.

Your inability to compromise your righteously perfect political positions makes you as complicit in the suffering of the poor and disabled as the Tories are. This is a time where we needed a leader who spoke to Middle England and a manifesto that would win in the Shires. Instead we got an energised youth vote, a Remain swing to us and Tory swing in Labour heartland.

Our semi-fictional Jim is still stressed out of his mind about how he's going to pay next quarter's gas bill and he's doing that because we lost another fucking election. So don't come here all triumphant about how your revolution is coming and it's all going to work out in the end. It's grotesque, arrogant and completely dismissive of the covenant that we as Labour made to protect those who need protecting.

This isn't a victory. When we win an election and can start changing things then I'll be booming as the rest of you. And whether you blame the Blairites or the Corbynites or Thunder the Wonder Horse is totally irrelevant to the fact that we have damned these people to up to five more years of austerity, five more years of cuts and five more years of privatisation in health.

So forgive me if I skip the fucking victory party.
 
So Mayday wants to carry on as if yesterday never happened ! She wants us to trust her on the fact that she has the best judgement to take on those pesky Europeans and get a good deal for us British . Hmmmm wasnt it her lack of judgement that got us into this mess in the first place ? If it hadn't been for her want to have overall power and be the person to kill off labour once and for all we wouldn't be in this situation , she didn't have to call an election, she didn't need a mandate per se. So now we are entering a period of negotiation that could shape our destiny for hundreds of years and mayday still thinks she is the only person capable of making decisions based on her judgement , God help us !
 
bluemoonmatt said:
Well that's 3 now.
Once is a mistake, twice is a pattern, three times is a habit. Now unlike you, I'll not seek to speak on your behalf, I will however suggest that most habits are bad, and losing elections, and in the process giving the others free reign to tear apart the social fabric of our nation is not any cause for my celebration. I can't think of a better term to apply to perennial electoral also rans than protest movement, if you can feel free to furnish me.
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We talk past each other.

The Labour party has made its bed and it must lie in it. If you think that will lead to years in the wilderness, fair enough. It's the job of the party to convince the electorate to trust them in government, if they can't, then maybe a new party will emerge from the wreckage of the old, we shall see.
 
The terrorists attacks have done for her because she was the home office minister who slashed police numbers armed and unarmed,to have all that in the media in this last week must have changed some minds.Add to that the delusion and acting like a cold hearted robot repeating herself non stop and she was fucked
 
The perfect fumble said:
You've got to admire the arrogance of the entitled....

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"The plebeians didn't vote how we told them to, they are getting above their station and need putting down again"

Members of the public had one vote, like you, and couldn't predict a hung parliament you fuckin' spanner. Basically saying anyone who didn't vote for his party is wrong. They are the gentry vs. peasants party.
 
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