World Cup VAR

dadnlad said:
im sure someone will put me right but the other day spain v iran when they were all rolling round on the goal line why did nobody say penalty the defender clearly had his arm on the ball they repalyed to several times at end of game saying oh this is great defending no it was a penalty VAR is down to individual interpretation
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Post the clip if you don't mind?
 
Bigga said:
You're arguing with the closed minded.

How did Ireland feel about the 'beautiful game' when Henry handled the ball over the goal line and denied qualification? Or indeed how England's 'Golden Generation' felt when Lampard's goal was disallowed against Germany or Sol Campbell's headed goal in a match cos he climbed his own player?!!

It's akin to 'Romantics' being enamoured with the story of 'Romeo and Juliet', forgetting that there's violence and death all around them! They miss the details!

Things aren't as rosy as you think in a game of football and 'justice' isn't always done. In a World Cup, a team has less chance to make an impact, so why should they be cheated out of a fair result just for some 'talking points'?!

@BlueHammer85, they won't get it.

Save your energy!
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Just like goal line technology it can have a place where it's conclusive as in the examples you have given. They are clear, non debatable decisions as is off side but when it comes to subjective opinions it's where the problem lies. OK, I know Kane should probably have had a penalty last week but we see that stuff in the Premiership every week, it might, some will say, stop it happening but where is the line drawn?
 
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Fame Monster said:
If VAR results in more soft pens awarded then it’ll ruin the game but that doesn’t have to be the case if the lawmakers clarify the rules to make clear that contact does not equal foul.
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Agree, if they can sort that out then it will be a fair addition to help referee games. I don't want to see 50/50 decisions debated, as it can and will bring accusations of bias by the individuals concerned.
 
Just think the ‘Hand of God’ goal would never have been given for that cheating c*nt.
But hey, let’s not have it as stuff like that makes the game fun!
 
I don't understand it, for years pundits etc have said "but we have the benefit of a replay". Now the refs have the chance to see an incident twice and still can't get it right. The rules on challenges seem too vague these days. One ref will give a free kick for any contact at all, the next will allow you to climb all over someone.
 
jayfx said:
I don't understand it, for years pundits etc have said "but we have the benefit of a replay". Now the refs have the chance to see an incident twice and still can't get it right. The rules on challenges seem too vague these days. One ref will give a free kick for any contact at all, the next will allow you to climb all over someone.
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Agree. With or without VAR this is frustrating
 
jayfx said:
I don't understand it, for years pundits etc have said "but we have the benefit of a replay". Now the refs have the chance to see an incident twice and still can't get it right. The rules on challenges seem too vague these days. One ref will give a free kick for any contact at all, the next will allow you to climb all over someone.
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Out of interest what have they got wrong? Can't remember any?
 
There’s lots and LOTS of manhandling, sprinting up to and surrounding, players screaming the faces and even body checking the referees in this tournament going completely unpunished!
 
Absolutely the correct use of VAR there ! Offside and where incidents took place yes.Subjective pen decisions no !
 
Mayor West said:
Out of interest what have they got wrong? Can't remember any?
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There's been quite a few that I've disagreed with but that's not necessarily a problem with VAR.

Seems that contact = foul in this tournament and I think a lot of soft pens have been given.

Bigger problem is the ones that aren't getting referred, been plenty of mistakes with that.
 
moomba said:
There's been quite a few that I've disagreed with but that's not necessarily a problem with VAR.

Seems that contact = foul in this tournament and I think a lot of soft pens have been given.

Bigger problem is the ones that aren't getting referred, been plenty of mistakes with that.
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So which decisions specifically, that went to VAR referral do you think they've got wrong?
 
peter.evans said:
Absolutely the correct use of VAR there ! Offside and where incidents took place yes.Subjective pen decisions no !
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The old system is the embodiment of subjective.... you can't support that but not VAR cos it's subjective... they both are.

And let's not forget, it's the actual ref that's re looking at the original penalty decision. So it was his subjective decision in the first place and his subjective decision via the VAR ultimately.... in virtually every incident which has gone to the review via VAR, they have got the correct decision... it's a no brainer, although they need to improve on referring incidents which were missed. Kane, argies non pen, Serbia non pen for example. A 2 reviews per match for each team should sort that out very quickly...
 
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Bluearmy said:
So which decisions specifically, that went to VAR referral do you think they've got wrong?
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Like I said the wrong decisions don't bother me so much as all were subjective and I'm happy that the ref get a closer look even if I don't agree with his decisions. I've posted here whenever there's been a penalty given I've disagreed with.

My concern is more the decisions that haven't been referred. That's a pretty basic flaw in the current VAR setup.
 
Bluearmy said:
The old system is the embodiment of subjective.... you can't support that but not VAR cos it's subjective... they both are.

And let's not forget, it's the actual ref that's re looking at the original penalty decision. So it was his subjective decision in the first place and his subjective decision via the VAR ultimately.... in virtually every incident which has gone to the review via VAR, they have got the correct decision... it's a no brainer, although they need to improve on referring incidents which were missed. Kane, argies non pen, Serbia non pen for example. A 2 reviews per match for each team should sort that out very quickly...
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There s been several that have been turned round by VAR that have been highly debatable e.g. the handball pen the other day in the Denmark game which was diabolical and others that have been looked at and not given e.g. Argentina not to mention loads that haven't even been looked at ! It's a complete farce of a system taking the refs subjective decision to the men in their nuclear bunker subjective decision. As I have said all along I'm ok with Offside s where incidents take place and serious foul play but that's it.
 
karen7 said:
They are at work so wearing the kit puts them in the right mindset and they are part of the reffing team,be amateur if they were sat there in jeans and a t shirt
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Was it John Burridge who used to sit at home watching the football with his Goalkeeper gloves on, how did he hold his can of Stella and eat his crisps?
 
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