Religion

[tolmie's hairdoo]

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy ;)

Damn, another fraud then?

I was gonna build a church on him and make sure they built a few cheeky statues for myself too.

He who believeth in Magicpole is now damned to come back as a United fan.

The ultimate hell and here endeth the lesson.

 

[Elbow beards]

Damn, another fraud then?

I was gonna build a church on him and make sure they built a few cheeky statues for myself too.

He who believeth in Magicpole is now damned to come back as a United fan.

The ultimate hell and here endeth the lesson.

Say 3 hail colins and your sins will be repented my son.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Say 3 hail colins and your sins will be repented my son.

But I also massacred a village in Chad last night?

Perhaps say 4, just in case? Appease the four main Gods and all that?

 

[Elbow beards]

But I also massacred a village in Chad last night?

Perhaps say 4, just in case? Appease the four main Gods and all that?

Na, just wank an altar boy off then you'll be all reet.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Na, just wank an altar boy off then you'll be all reet.

Haha!

HE certainly works in mysterious ways!

Back to the killing fields...

 

[Magicpole]

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy ;)

That was never proven. :)

And even if it was, I wouldn’t be cow towing to a **** who would let me off with it just because I said I loved him.

We have to teach people that there is no get out of jail card for our actions. We need to take responsibility.

If you are deluded enough to think you can evade that responsibility because you appeal to a narcissistic bastard hell bent on adoration and submission, then your moral compass is stuck on ****.

 

[Magicpole]

Genuinely, is it worth you going to find professional help so to find a way through this? If nothing else just to check that the above is not actually your own, projected cry for help?

I am more moral than your made up god mate. As for needing help, maybe I do, but on a spectrum I am small potatoes compared to the invisible man in the sky whose toolbox includes genocide, masoginy, slavery and creating talking snakes with perfect diction.

A long way behind.

 

[Magicpole]

Damn, another fraud then?

I was gonna build a church on him and make sure they built a few cheeky statues for myself too.

He who believeth in Magicpole is now damned to come back as a United fan.

The ultimate hell and here endeth the lesson.

Harsh. I’m lovely. :)

 

[Elbow beards]

I am more moral than your made up god mate. As for needing help, maybe I do, but on a spectrum I am small potatoes compared to the invisible man in the sky whose toolbox includes genocide, masoginy, slavery and creating talking snakes with perfect diction.

A long way behind.

Don't forget filicide, matricide and homophobia.

 

[yep]

soundbites and constant deflection tactics

go through each line and tell me where you differ and why if you have the balls to do so

They differ in telling the whole story where there was good news. -woman are to be loved- God is the God of all people living and dead but will not force people to love Him but interesting that at the parable of the Last judgement people it is how you have treated your fellowmen that is the sign of love -goodwill to all men. I spoke of the generousity of Jesus to the thief but Magipole took offence at that-apparently you cannot please all people.

Luke 20:34

34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain thatworld, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses showed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

Yours are all bad news granted but you under estimate the power of God because you imagine him to be some sort of Hulk. Perhaps the metaphor should have been you critisise the book while not speaking to the Author. Perhaps you are the source of your own being and can dictate what happens to you ?
The Lord is not called the Lord for nothing: He gives and He takes away but he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
I can scoff at your protestation of love cos I have no experience of it so you scoff at my relationship with God as you have no experience of it.
If you are true to your self you are blessed or is it sophistry for sophistry’s sake?
As Bob Dylan says time will answer the question:

Most Likely You Go Your Way:
Then time will tell who has fell
And who’s been left behind
When you go your way and I go mine.

1 Corinthians 1:25

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

Na, just wank an altar boy off then you'll be all reet.

 

[Magicpole]

Don't forget filicide, matricide and homophobia.

Or one of the most terrible, when the all loving god told Isaac to sacrifice his son. So Isaac, being a deluded ****, set about tying his son down to kill him. At the last second god said, I was only testing your faith. No mention of how the child would be traumatised at the thought his own father was willing to kill him for a god.

Somehow Christians think this story is good. That god was merciful. Instead of asking what kind of a monster would do that to a child. What level of adoration and submission this utter evil bastard he is.

I would gladly burn in hell before I would harm my sons this way and he would have been told to go fuck his evil bastard self.

Christians talk of morality, if anyone can see anything other than horrendous morality in this tale, I will repeat, you need to get your head checked out.

They love to cherry pick the nice bits. The truth is, taken in its entirety, it is a book of shame and unbelievable evil.

If you don’t believe me, please read it. And Jeezy doesn’t get a pass as he endorsed the Old Testament. He endorsed slavery. He told people to leave their families. He told us we would all burn in hell if we didn’t bow to him. He was a **** too. A made up ****, but a **** nonetheless.

For it is written. Read it and ask yourself. Would any man of goodness condemn another to an eternity of burning in agony because they didn’t love him?

We lock up people who kill people once, to advocate an eternity of suffering is not the actions of a moral of loving being. It is a vengeful, spiteful monster. It’s all there in the book.

 

[crazyg]

Or one of the most terrible, when the all loving god told Isaac to sacrifice his son. So Isaac, being a deluded ****, set about tying his son down to kill him. At the last second god said, I was only testing your faith. No mention of how the child would be traumatised at the thought his own father was willing to kill him for a god.

Somehow Christians think this story is good. That god was merciful. Instead of asking what kind of a monster would do that to a child. What level of adoration and submission this utter evil bastard he is.

I would gladly burn in hell before I would harm my sons this way and he would have been told to go fuck his evil bastard self.

Christians talk of morality, if anyone can see anything other than horrendous morality in this tale, I will repeat, you need to get your head checked out.

They love to cherry pick the nice bits. The truth is, taken in its entirety, it is a book of shame and unbelievable evil.

If you don’t believe me, please read it. And Jeezy doesn’t get a pass as he endorsed the Old Testament. He endorsed slavery. He told people to leave their families. He told us we would all burn in hell if we didn’t bow to him. He was a **** too. A made up ****, but a **** nonetheless.

For it is written. Read it and ask yourself. Would any man of goodness condemn another to an eternity of burning in agony because they didn’t love him?

We lock up people who kill people once, to advocate an eternity of suffering is not the actions of a moral of loving being. It is a vengeful, spiteful monster. It’s all there in the book.

Available in all good hotel bedside drawers, generally covered in dust.
I generally take a book with me when I travel. I like a good work of fiction to read at night (if I'm sober enough to read it).
But apart from reading to my granddaughter, I don't do fairy stories.

 

[yep]

Or one of the most terrible, when the all loving god told Isaac to sacrifice his son. So Isaac, being a deluded ****, set about tying his son down to kill him. At the last second god said, I was only testing your faith. No mention of how the child would be traumatised at the thought his own father was willing to kill him for a god.

Somehow Christians think this story is good. That god was merciful. Instead of asking what kind of a monster would do that to a child. What level of adoration and submission this utter evil bastard he is.

I would gladly burn in hell before I would harm my sons this way and he would have been told to go fuck his evil bastard self.

Christians talk of morality, if anyone can see anything other than horrendous morality in this tale, I will repeat, you need to get your head checked out.

They love to cherry pick the nice bits. The truth is, taken in its entirety, it is a book of shame and unbelievable evil.

If you don’t believe me, please read it. And Jeezy doesn’t get a pass as he endorsed the Old Testament. He endorsed slavery. He told people to leave their families. He told us we would all burn in hell if we didn’t bow to him. He was a **** too. A made up ****, but a **** nonetheless.

For it is written. Read it and ask yourself. Would any man of goodness condemn another to an eternity of burning in agony because they didn’t love him?

We lock up people who kill people once, to advocate an eternity of suffering is not the actions of a moral of loving being. It is a vengeful, spiteful monster. It’s all there in the book.

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So what about the victims of this person? If it happened, which it didn’t. How is it right that a man who may have caused untold pain to his victims gets off because he accepts Jeezy when he is about to die?

That means serial killing child rapists get away with it just because they find the **** at the end.

There appears to be a contradiction between the two posts: first post Jesus should not have been lenient to the thief while in this post God should not advocate an eternity of suffering. Should He not give people a choice otherwise your wish to gladly burn in hell would be refused?
I am sure there is a logical explanation,

 

[arfurclue]

I am more moral than your made up god mate. As for needing help, maybe I do, but on a spectrum I am small potatoes compared to the invisible man in the sky whose toolbox includes genocide, masoginy, slavery and creating talking snakes with perfect diction.

A long way behind.

I am just about to write "And thence Magicpole decreed that to go to heaven we must first copulate with giraffes." According to you, it would seem that my writing that you said this 'proves' that you did. Maybe not, right?

Beyond that I once came to a point where i asked myself a question : maybe if i let go of trying to figure out how to get higher - perhaps by trampling on other people - and instead learned to feel downwards (grounded) then maybe this would naturally lead to an opening up to states of inspiration, that are free of the compulsive need to treat other people like shit for my own 'benefit.'Now I can't speak for you but I can for me - so as to say i have felt caught in that compulsion before. And it feeds into cycles of self-loathing/getting high/self-loathing/ getting high etc and this can become quite brutal in terms of my own suffering - to the point where I had days where my only goal was to find a way through the day so as to wake up the next morning. Now, can the likes of religion be used/warped so as to effectively treat people like shit to feed a sense of 'false divine superiority' - sure, I tried this myself (not with a church but elsewhere) - 'oh so spiritual on the outside but hugely hated myself on this inside.' After I left that situation, in the next couple of years I barely saw anyone that had anything to do with divinity but I also had quite a conflict - those people i left who had been friends (with whom I had learned 'truth') obviously still saw themselves as the holiest fuckers on the planet. And, fuck didI want to go back and tell them that they were wrong, as if this would somehow changes things for me, as if they would turn around and say 'oh yeah arfur you have a good point there, we will all now change.' So I would agree you that it is possible for madness and abuse to dress itself up as 'truth' and 'sanity' when in fact it isn't. Where I might disagree with you is to whether or not 'divinity' can be a way in which one can come to feel more grounded, balanced, at peace with oneself so as not to treat others/oneself like shit - a practical wisdom if you want. For me this is still an ongoing journey but it is that which i find helps to release suffering in a lived way - and I find more value in this than a solely intellectual, dogmatic 'truth' or 'god.'

So, I'm not so interested in telling you 'go to church' or 'that the bible is right and you are wrong' but, for one, please bear in mind that if I followed a way that says 'all divinity/spirituality/religion is wrong because Magicpole says so,' then that feels like a choice for suffering according to my own practical experience. For two, I perhaps asked because I wonder if you are more in a state of being which is a fight which the church, than actually being fully free of it - whether its possible that you have physically left but it still somehow has emotional and/or mental hooks in you, in a way that may not be so enjoyable? Maybe not my business, in fairness, but I felt to ask - then you have the choice to tell me where to go or not.

 

[Magicpole]

I am just about to write "And thence Magicpole decreed that to go to heaven we must first copulate with giraffes." According to you, it would seem that my writing that you said this 'proves' that you did. Maybe not, right?

Beyond that I once came to a point where i asked myself a question : maybe if i let go of trying to figure out how to get higher - perhaps by trampling on other people - and instead learned to feel downwards (grounded) then maybe this would naturally lead to an opening up to states of inspiration, that are free of the compulsive need to treat other people like shit for my own 'benefit.'Now I can't speak for you but I can for me - so as to say i have felt caught in that compulsion before. And it feeds into cycles of self-loathing/getting high/self-loathing/ getting high etc and this can become quite brutal in terms of my own suffering - to the point where I had days where my only goal was to find a way through the day so as to wake up the next morning. Now, can the likes of religion be used/warped so as to effectively treat people like shit to feed a sense of 'false divine superiority' - sure, I tried this myself (not with a church but elsewhere) - 'oh so spiritual on the outside but hugely hated myself on this inside.' After I left that situation, in the next couple of years I barely saw anyone that had anything to do with divinity but I also had quite a conflict - those people i left who had been friends (with whom I had learned 'truth') obviously still saw themselves as the holiest fuckers on the planet. And, fuck didI want to go back and tell them that they were wrong, as if this would somehow changes things for me, as if they would turn around and say 'oh yeah arfur you have a good point there, we will all now change.' So I would agree you that it is possible for madness and abuse to dress itself up as 'truth' and 'sanity' when in fact it isn't. Where I might disagree with you is to whether or not 'divinity' can be a way in which one can come to feel more grounded, balanced, at peace with oneself so as not to treat others/oneself like shit - a practical wisdom if you want. For me this is still an ongoing journey but it is that which i find helps to release suffering in a lived way - and I find more value in this than a solely intellectual, dogmatic 'truth' or 'god.'

So, I'm not so interested in telling you 'go to church' or 'that the bible is right and you are wrong' but, for one, please bear in mind that if I followed a way that says 'all divinity/spirituality/religion is wrong because Magicpole says so,' then that feels like a choice for suffering according to my own practical experience. For two, I perhaps asked because I wonder if you are more in a state of being which is a fight which the church, than actually being fully free of it - whether its possible that you have physically left but it still somehow has emotional and/or mental hooks in you, in a way that may not be so enjoyable? Maybe not my business, in fairness, but I felt to ask - then you have the choice to tell me where to go or not.

I look at the book in its entirety. I cannot balance the hate with the love. To love cannot involve genocide. Cannot accommodate the direction to kill those who do not share your beliefs. Cannot sit with the principal that to own other human beings is just. Cannot sit with instructing a father to kill his son. Cannot live with a man giving up his daughters to be raped by a mob to save angels. Cannot live with condemning people to spend an eternity of burning for failing to believe. Cannot live with forgiving a life of evil, because someone takes the route of accepting him.

I was brought up to believe this shit. To fear hell. To believe he was good. Once I started to actually read the book, I could not see this being as anything other than a vengeful psychopath. I was able to separate the wheat from the chaff. The contradictions.

Add that in with the total absence in the historical record. The similarities with other Bronze Age myths, the Adam and Eve myth, the great flood, the six day creation, the earth being the centre of the universe. Then asked myself, how could a being who created it all know so little about how it actually happened? To repeat what man knew at the time, which was fuck all. It is a curse. It demonises homosexuals. It hates shrimps, it tells us to kill people who work on Sundays. It tells us to kill all who do not believe. It tells us women are chattels. It tells us to kill witches.

How anyone can look at all that and say, that’s for me. That’s the truth. That’s good. Is beyond my comprehension and understanding of justice and compassion.

If he actually did exist and showed us he did, I would still reject him as I would any human tyrant who held his views of humanity.

My experience as a child where my critical and moral faculties were expected to think this was ok, is and was immoral. To frighten children that they will burn in hell for being human is abhorrent.

I’m sure Hitler had his nice moments. We look at the entirety of his life though and don’t cherrypick. Why do we cherrypick with god and spend our lives making up excuses and rationale for indefensible pronouncements and actions?

It’s wrong. Immoral and evil masquerading as good.

Mankind has been going in the homosapien form for up to 300,000 years, yet we are to believe he waited for 298,000 years before stepping in?

Nonsense.

 

[tonea2003]

They differ in telling the whole story where there was good news. -woman are to be loved- God is the God of all people living and dead but will not force people to love Him but interesting that at the parable of the Last judgement people it is how you have treated your fellowmen that is the sign of love -goodwill to all men. I spoke of the generousity of Jesus to the thief but Magipole took offence at that-apparently you cannot please all people.

Luke 20:34

34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain thatworld, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses showed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

Yours are all bad news granted but you under estimate the power of God because you imagine him to be some sort of Hulk. Perhaps the metaphor should have been you critisise the book while not speaking to the Author. Perhaps you are the source of your own being and can dictate what happens to you ?
The Lord is not called the Lord for nothing: He gives and He takes away but he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
I can scoff at your protestation of love cos I have no experience of it so you scoff at my relationship with God as you have no experience of it.
If you are true to your self you are blessed or is it sophistry for sophistry’s sake?
As Bob Dylan says time will answer the question:

Most Likely You Go Your Way:
Then time will tell who has fell
And who’s been left behind
When you go your way and I go mine.

1 Corinthians 1:25

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

how do you know you have a relationship with god, how do you know its him that's the core of my questions

what is the single one thing that you could give me to convince me its god

because you keep saying it is, what it is exactly

and as for authors of the bible its probably many authors over many centuries even the gospels cannot be directly attributed to the 4 disciples

interesting interview below i know you will diss it

 

[yep]

I look at the book in its entirety. I cannot balance thevgate with the love. To love cannot involve genocide. Cannot accommodate the direction to kill those who do not share your beliefs. Cannot sit with the principal that to own other human beings us just. Cannot sit with instructing a father to kill his son. Cannot live with a man giving up gus daughters to be raped by a mob to save angels. Cannot live with condemning people to spent an eternity of burning for failing to believe. Cannot live with forgiving a life of evil because someone takes the route of accepting him.

I was brought up to believe this shit. To fear hell. To believe he was good. Once I started to actually read the book I could not see this being as anything other than a vengeful psychopath. I was able to separate the wheat from the chaff. The contradictions.

Add that in with the total absence in the historical record. The similarities with other Bronze Age myths, the Adam and Evev myth, the fear flood, the sux day creation, the earth being the centre of the universe. Then asked myself, how could a being who created it all know so little about how it actually happened. To repeat what man knew at the time, which was fuck all. It is a curse. It demonises homosexuals. It hates shrimps, it tells us to kill people who work on Sundays. It tells us to kill all who do not believe. It tells us women are chattels. It tells us to kill witches.

How anyone can look at all that and say, that’s for me. That’s the truth. That’s good. Is beyond my comprehension and understanding of justice and compassion.

If he actually did exist and showed us he did, I would still reject him as I would any human tyrant who held his views of humanity.

My experience as a child where my critical and moral faculties were expected to think this was ok, is and was immoral. To frighten children that they will burn in hell for being human is abhorrent.

I’m sure Hitler had his nice moments. We look at the entirety of his life though and don’t cherry pick. Why do we cherry pick with god and spend our lives making up excuses and rationale for indefensible pronouncements and actions?

It’s wrong. Immoral and evil masquerading as good.

Manking has been going in the homosapien form for up to 300,000 years, yet we are to believe he waited for 298,000 years before stepping in?

Nonsense.

Polonius:
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell, my blessing season this in thee!

Laertes:
Most humbly do I take my leave, my lord.

 

[steviemc]

Polonius:
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell, my blessing season this in thee!

Never seen him play. Bit of a shit chant though - not nearly catchy enough ;-)

 

[yep]

how do you know you have a relationship with god, how do you know its him that's the core of my questions

what is the single one thing that you could give me to convince me its god

because you keep saying it is, what it is exactly

and as for authors of the bible its probably many authors over many centuries even the gospels cannot be directly attributed to the 4 disciples

interesting interview below i know you will diss it

I maintain that there are some things you just know as you experience them. Like your experience of love with your partner, you can witness and testify to it but the one thing you cannot do is prove it. Religion is from "religio" to bind. Religion is only a means to the end of being one with God!
I did try and ask you the same question about your certitude about your love for your partner. How come one day you did not love them and the next day you did? What is the one single thing you could give me to convince me you love your partner.
Did you not know that your father/ mother had walked in the room when you were a child although you had your back to him/her and he/she did not make a sound but you recognised a presence without any physical senses involved?
I cannot convince you there is a God although you do believe in the Trinity of Coin, Cid, and Ence.
It is a relationship. There was a time when I had no experience of God, now I do. All I can do is testify and witness to my experiences. All you have to do is be hnest with yourself!