Religion

arfurclue said:
By feel, I mean opening to experience the shared essence that is at the heart of all us. You, I, everyone one this thread however differently they may choose to write. But this feeling involves a letting go of attachment to the mind that incessantly needs to explain everything. This attachment is hard work - a bit like the religious doctrine of 'work ethic'...so you could be said to be arguing for a way of christian religious doctrine more than I am. Intriguing
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You're still placing your and I mean your feelings above others.
 
arfurclue said:
Non attachment does not mean abandoning them, actually you would find that could be with them from an even greater Loving depth than now. Would it be so bad to suggest that, with practice, the Love that is shared within a family can grow even deeper, even broader whilst also bringing a deeper sense of freedom for all?

You can read the thread if you want to talk about 'my sins' but for now, with the way you write it would seem pretty pointless to share anymore on that with you to be honest.
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Attachment leads to selfish actions. By being attached to my partner and children, I commit to actions that place them above others, these are in nature selfish and attach me to the material world, causing me to leave spiritual enlightenment behind.

That's a paraphrase (an accurate one) of one of Buddha's teachings, the lad that abandoned his own children.
 
BimboBob said:
You are a human. Have a life. Enjoy stuff with feeling guilty. Embrace your existence because this is the only one you are getting.
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And remember if you hurt somebody else it's not alright, there's no sky fairy to take it back, you're a ****.
 
arfurclue said:
Lmao - is more a paradox of letting go of 'being better than' which gets in the way of opening to the best (ie shared essence) within. But if by Captan Bringdown
you mean coming to feel more grounded, then yes - and it's truly beautiful to experience this. Genuinely, would recommend this if its the one thing anyone ever learns...
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edit : ps if you interested in a little experiment you could take 5 mins to sit down in quiet space and try this. Become aware of one hand and then tense it a little, the allow it to relax; then try it with the other hand...no rush, nothing to achieve. Then do this with other parts of the body ; feet, ankles, elbows etc Then see afterwards, how you feel If you do want to no problems just a little practice if you want.
 
arfurclue said:
edit : ps if you interested in a little experiment you could take 5 mins to sit down in quiet space and try this. Become aware of one hand and then tense it a little, the allow it to relax; then try it with the other hand...no rush, nothing to achieve. Then do this with other parts of the body ; feet, ankles, elbows etc Then see afterwards, how you feel If you do want to no problems just a little practice if you want.
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Meditation has fuck all to do with religion, as does REM sleep.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Attachment leads to selfish actions. By being attached to my partner and children, I commit to actions that place them above others, these are in nature selfish and attach me to the material world, causing me to leave spiritual enlightenment behind.

That's a paraphrase (an accurate one) of one of Buddha's teachings, the lad that abandoned his own children.
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Attachment (depending on the way you choose to interpret the word) might be said to get in the way of deeper connection and even true selfishness? And yes, there are some folk that choose to interpret the teachings in the way that you speak of but there are more and more folk these days that look at it otherwise and speak of everyday life being the best way for some to open, rather than going off to a mountain somewhere.
 
arfurclue said:
Attachment (depending on the way you choose to interpret the word) might be said to get in the way of deeper connection and even true selfishness? And yes, there are some folk that choose to interpret the teachings in the way that you speak of but there are more and more folk these days that look at it otherwise and speak of everyday life being the best way for some to open, rather than going off to a mountain somewhere.
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If you love somebody, you place their well-being above that of those you don't love, correct?
 
aguero93:20 said:
Meditation has fuck all to do with religion, as does REM sleep.
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don't know how you would describe what i wrote re taoism but naturalness, relaxation and inner balance are all related to this kind of practice. No, they are not
strictly the reserve of religion and yes, we might even be in agreement can be that which actually gets in the way of knowing these states more profoundly?
 
arfurclue said:
don't know how you would describe what i wrote re taoism but naturalness, relaxation and inner balance are all related to this kind of practice. No, they are not
strictly the reserve of religion and yes, we might even be in agreement can be that which actually gets in the way of knowing these states more profoundly?
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So I need a belief in a religion to meditate?
 
aguero93:20 said:
If you love somebody, you place their well-being above that of those you don't love, correct?
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Different kind of love : more a case of feeling an Inner Love and being moved by that whoever or whatever I am with. But that's not like saying I would love my family in the same way as someone I met in a shop or a curry or City for that matter. just means that, in Love, I am free to enjoy with whoever I am in the way that will be naturally appropriate.
 
aguero93:20 said:
So I need a belief in a religion to meditate?
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No, not at all. Actually meditation might be said to be a way to go past 'just belief' of any sort. As in it is a practice more than just a theory.
Edit : thanks this has been helpful. In a way I practiced with martial arts then I began to see some teachings that were like 'oh, yeah that's a pretty good description of what was going on within but maybe not like the folk in this church or that might describe - that makes no sense to me whatsover.' So take the practice of relaxation. If I come across a thought that keeps me in a state of non-relaxation then I might choose to drop it - if someone from a 'church' says 'but that's the truth because a priest said it!" Sorry buddy, you can choose that if you want, but it's not a truth that works for me.' So could you see why organised religion, with its one fixed set of rules/beliefs (that someone else has decided) might not be a place where I would be so welcome? Kind of ironic, given what has been written on here....
 
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arfurclue said:
Different kind of love : more a case of feeling an Inner Love and being moved by that whoever or whatever I am with. But that's not like saying I would love my family in the same way as someone I met in a shop or a curry or City for that matter. just means that, in Love, I am free to enjoy with whoever I am in the way that will be naturally appropriate.
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So you're advocating an attachment? Different kinds of love?
 
arfurclue said:
No, not at all. Actually meditation might be said to be a way to go past 'just belief' of any sort. As in it is a practice more than just a theory.
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There we agree. Don't defend religion with the benefits of meditation so.
 
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