Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

[hilts]

@hilts

I don’t like Corbyn.

Doesn’t suit my political stance at all.

I think he’s a useless fantasist who will never get into power.

My apologies on the assumption you were a supporter of his.

 

[Ban-jani]

My apologies on the assumption you were a supporter of his.

No worries, just thought I’d say

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I’m not sure why the media bother with Johnson anymore he is a busted flush.

He leads the polls of Tory party members in their choice of next leader. May will stand down at some point in the next 3 months so I guess this clown is viewed as the leader in waiting for many. That said the leadership contest for next tory leader is going to be as toxic as the brexit debate as the worst of the right wing element within the party will no doubt bubble up to the top and quite possibly split the party.

 

[Henkeman]

He leads the polls of Tory party members in their choice of next leader. May will stand down at some point in the next 3 months so I guess this clown is viewed as the leader in waiting for many. That said the leadership contest for next tory leader is going to be as toxic as the brexit debate as the worst of the right wing element within the party will no doubt bubble up to the top and quite possibly split the party.

Not a chance. He won't be an option for the membership to vote on. The MPs select the final two.

 

[blueparrot]

He leads the polls of Tory party members in their choice of next leader. May will stand down at some point in the next 3 months so I guess this clown is viewed as the leader in waiting for many. That said the leadership contest for next tory leader is going to be as toxic as the brexit debate as the worst of the right wing element within the party will no doubt bubble up to the top and quite possibly split the party.

Can't really remember but don't the members only put the candidates through and the MPs decide the tory leader ?

 

[hilts]

He leads the polls of Tory party members in their choice of next leader. May will stand down at some point in the next 3 months so I guess this clown is viewed as the leader in waiting for many. That said the leadership contest for next tory leader is going to be as toxic as the brexit debate as the worst of the right wing element within the party will no doubt bubble up to the top and quite possibly split the party.

Then a lot of Tory party members are fucking idiots. I think he has shown all the opposite qualities needed to be a leader of a party or country. I wouldnt give him a supervisor role at McDonald’s.

 

[Henkeman]

Then a lot of Tory party members are fucking idiots. I think he has shown all the opposite qualities needed to be a leader of a party or country. I wouldnt give him a supervisor role at McDonald’s.

Party activists' awareness of the wider public's view is limited at best. See Corbyn, J.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Not a chance. He won't be an option for the membership to vote on. The MPs select the final two.

The process whereby two move forward to the vote by the wider party make it very difficult to manipulate. Any particular group might be successful in getting their candidate moved forward in each round but much more difficult to block the potential opposition. A level of complicity and co-ordination i don't think the current Tory MPs are capable of. So its anyone's guess who the final two would be.

So if one of Boris, Gove, Leadsome, Raab move forward against a remainer then they will probably win, even though they are all awful candidates for a PM.

A choice between any of them and Corbyns Labour would indeed be horrific.

 

[Henkeman]

The process whereby two move forward to the vote by the wider party make it very difficult to manipulate. Any particular group might be successful in getting their candidate moved forward in each round but much more difficult to block the potential opposition. A level of complicity and co-ordination i don't think the current Tory MPs are capable of. So its anyone's guess who the final two would be.

So if one of Boris, Gove, Leadsome, Raab move forward against a remainer then they will probably win, even though they are all awful candidates for a PM.

A choice between any of them and Corbyns Labour would indeed be horrific.

He couldn't get into the top two last time - he's not popular with a significant element of the Parliamentary party. It's why we ended up with May.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

He couldn't get into the top two last time - he's not popular with a significant element of the Parliamentary party. It's why we ended up with May.

And for good reason as his pants are regularly on fire and his general incompetence mean he is also demonstrably unfit for high office as many parliamentarians will know. But I assume their is a group that fit somewhere between remain and the ERG who will push a pro brexit candidate forward. Who would that be if not boris?

 

[Henkeman]

And for good reason as his pants are regularly on fire and his general incompetence mean he is also demonstrably unfit for high office as many parliamentarians will know. But I assume their is a group that fit somewhere between remain and the ERG who will push a pro brexit candidate forward. Who would that be if not boris?

Who they push is pretty irrelevant though. 60 or so MPs isn't enough to push through a candidate.

 

[bluethrunthru]

And for good reason as his pants are regularly on fire and his general incompetence mean he is also demonstrably unfit for high office as many parliamentarians will know. But I assume their is a group that fit somewhere between remain and the ERG who will push a pro brexit candidate forward. Who would that be if not boris?

For all those reasons you state I expect Boris to be thrust into the limelight only to have to withdraw like last time because of reasons outside politics becoming or about to become public. You'd then be left with JRM - won't do it couldn't win it anyway - Gove - not sure how well liked he would be, always seen as more of an untrustworthy bag carrier than a leader - so you could end up with the same sort of fudge or compromise candidate getting the job and we would end up with, horror of horror's - Grayling or Fox as PM. I know some thing Corbyn would be a disaster however I suspect Fox or worse still Grayling could easily set a new benchmark

 

[Henkeman]

For all those reasons you state I expect Boris to be thrust into the limelight only to have to withdraw like last time because of reasons outside politics becoming or about to become public. You'd then be left with JRM - won't do it couldn't win it anyway - Gove - not sure how well liked he would be, always seen as more of an untrustworthy bag carrier than a leader - so you could end up with the same sort of fudge or compromise candidate getting the job and we would end up with, horror of horror's - Grayling or Fox as PM. I know some thing Corbyn would be a disaster however I suspect Fox or worse still Grayling could easily set a new benchmark

Sajid Javid would be my bet.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Who they push is pretty irrelevant though. 60 or so MPs isn't enough to push through a candidate.

It might be to push someone into second if there is one strong remainer candidate. Say Philip Hammomd stands and secures 200 votes - the 2nd candidate just needs to get the balance of 117.

The Tory members would reject Hammond without a second thought even if that meant a horror show like Raab or Leadsome.

 

[Henkeman]

It might be to push someone into second if there is one strong remainer candidate. Say Philip Hammomd stands and secures 200 votes - the 2nd candidate just needs to get the balance of 117.

The Tory members would reject Hammond without a second thought even if that meant a horror show like Raab or Leadsome.

It doesn't happen that way though - it tends to coalesce around two figures that the CPP can live with, not those who do well in the first round because of initial preferences. At no point ever have the Tories ended up putting forward the darling of a wing of the party.

 

[blueinsa]

I wouldn't rule out Raab as the Tory grass roots will not contemplate voting in a remain PM again.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I wouldn't rule out Raab as the Tory grass roots will not contemplate voting in a remain PM again.

But are any of the brexiteers popular enough to get to the vote, on balance they are either to extreme or highly unlikable. I can't come up with a credible and well liked leaver Tory.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Its the bare faced cheek of the man that astounds...........and this sort of stuff in the press which will be brought up against him will be the reason why he won't run or if he does won't win. He courts too much bad press.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46981440

 

[blueinsa]

But are any of the brexiteers popular enough to get to the vote, on balance they are either to extreme or highly unlikable. I can't come up with a credible and well liked leaver Tory.

Asking the wrong person as im a Labour voter.

The grass roots will disagree almost entirely with what we think of their leadership options ive little doubt.

Said above i can see Raab getting a good run at it but who knows?

 

[Bert Trautmanns Helemet]

Sajid Javid would be my bet.

Yep - good call. Or Gove.