Var debate 2019/20

[coolcity]

Is that the new rule or the old one? I'm no expert but on Sky they're saying if it's handball, deliberate or accidental, and it leads to, or ends in, a goal then the goal should not stand.

Where do you draw the line? If it hits Laporte's arm, ref (and nobody else) spots it, then the ball is touched by half a dozen players in a goalmouth scramble before ending up in the back of the net does the same rule apply?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Rather than look at someone else's interpretation of the handball law - look at what it says:

It is an offence if a player:

• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
• gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:
  • scores in the opponents’ goal
  • creates a goal-scoring opportunity
• scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper

So VAR had to interpret the accidental handball by Laporte and determine if he gains possession/control and then creates a goal-scoring opportunity.

In my opinion it is meant to apply to a player who deliberately gets control of the ball accidentally and goes on to provide an assist not an inadvertent deflection..

This interpretation of the laws.

Pretty sure you are correct & that would be a sensible & fair rule.

Edit: of course if the ball bounced off his arm, changed direction, to Jesus who was stood a yard out, unmarked, that would also be fair enough to disallow.

They have fucked us over.

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

Next time we score the whole team should line up under the big screen with folded arms and not celebrate in any way and the fans have a moment of silence for the death of the game as we know it

As stupid as it sounds it’s a brilliant idea nellie

 

[coolcity]

Also, I thought VAR was only called on if it was a Clear and Obvious error. That wasn't clear and obvious, not one single person even spotted it. Even the commentators on the slo-mo reply on TV didn't see it until VAR kicked in?

 

[coolcity]

Good point. If the ref's decision is final and he has the casting vote how can he decide it's not a goal if he hasn't seen it?

 

[BlueAnorak]

Forgotten the Danny Rose handball penalty award in the CL last season?

If Otamendi's hand by his side was a penalty against Shalke, then Danny Rose's handball was a penalty. His hand was in the air when he attempted to block the ball. I'm afraid it's a penalty under the new rediculous handball rule.

How about the Aguero penalty retake against WH last week for encroachment?

He did encroach so under the new rules it means a retake is required. The fact that the Linesman and referee missed the keeper being off his line, the real offence was missed.

I'll add both of these under new categories of VAR fuck ups.

 

[BlueAnorak]

have we had a VAR decision in our favour yet? serious question

No. Not an incorrect VAR assessment anyway.

 

[kaz7]

Dippers 6 goals no VAR reviews
RAgs 4 goals no VAR review

Us 2 games 9 goals 3VAR reviews 2 goals chalked off

Raz mm's at best
Did it hit his hand? pep watched it back,sky analyis,neither could say for sure if it hit his hand

Stonewall pen against rodders,neville said the VAR ref should have been stronger and given it,on Salah at anfield that would be a pen

It's clear we are getting extra special attention,enjoy the next 36 games,just don't celebrate or expect to win the title

 

[Nellies left peg]

If Otamendi's hand by his side was a penalty against Shalke, then Danny Rose's handball was a penalty. His hand was in the air when he attempted to block the ball. I'm afraid it's a penalty under the new rediculous handball rule.


He did encroach so under the new rules it means a retake is required. The fact that the Linesman and referee missed the keeper being off his line, the real offence was missed.

I'll add both of these under new categories of VAR fuck ups.

Add to the fact not only did he encroach but he cleared the rebound before Aguero could get to it

 

[gingerprince]

VAR particularly EPL version is now a muddled mess,

VAR official has power on all factual decisions eg offsides, in or out of box, encroachment by attackers or defenders on penalties. EPL version decided to give referee goalkeeper encroachment on penalties, so VAR can [in their opinion] determine to mms factual decisions including encroachment by all others but the main issue is goalkeeper encroachment but they have given that power to onfield referees...why? VAR @ west ham game retakes because of defender encroachment butif they hadn't would the onfield ref have given the goalkeeper encroachment? Games are being decided on mm factual decisions by VAR everywhere and or goal line technology asthey trust the technology fair enough but they give another vital decision to referee with goalkeeper encroachment, so some games will be decided by VAR in mm correctly but somewill not because referee didnt want to or didnt see goalkeeper encroachment. So last game of the season one end, Ederson saves penalty by Salah, but sterling encroaches by mm so VAR orders retake and Salah scores retake. Other end, Allison saves Aguero penalty but encroaches by six inches but not seen or just not given by onfield referee so no retake awarded.

How can this situation be so?

Secondly, with regards to yesterday's game, the Rodri penalty non decision. Looking at motd, Neville, even Nicholl on ESPN all said how can the VAR official not direct the referee to award a penalty or request onfield referee to pitchside monitor to review himself. Well that's the EPL high bar directive. This gives the VAR official only, to decide subjectively looking at the incident whether its clear and obvious error by the onfield referee. He on looking decided in his opinion that it wasnt 100% a stone wall penalty. As EPL supposedlydont want VAR to rereferee the whole game with multiple stoppages for pitchside reviews and to have in public the referee possibly shown to be making multiple errors in a game.

On the rodri penalty, the referee after hearing what the VAR official said to him can either accept VAR version of events or request he looks at pitchside review. As the VAR official words did nothing to persuade Oliver to change his decision or request pitchside review it can only be that VAR official stated that under the "high bar" it wasnt clear enough to award a penalty outright and or persuade Oliver to relook via pitchside review. It seems strange that post match when pundits can look at same evidence via replays they all call penalty and mark halsey too

So we have EPL giving goalkeeper encroachment decisions to referees whilst having technology and using technology to award or disallow penalties on all other factual decisions?VAR official subjectively deciding on whether to overturn onfield referee decision using the higher bar equation..and defensive handball decisions based on subjective VAR decision.

Whatever technology and or rule changes are brought in fifa believe it's all in awarding the correct decision and consistency of awarding correct decision, however harsh.

The EPL version as rodri decision substantiates, is that in EPL, we are not using VAR to give correct decision on a consistent basis. Champions League VAR would have given Rodri penalty and then disallowed Jesus goal. Both of those decisions were correct decision by the laws we have currently. So the EPL VAR version incorrectly denied us apenalty but used all its weight and technology to correctly disallow the goal.

We will of course fall foul in CL this year where CL VAR will correctly award a penalty versus our opponents for Laporte having two arms around vandyke in last minute.....It will of course be correct as all pundits will say so and they will say we have voted for it...so why are you so annoyed, frustrated,angry etc