Var debate 2019/20

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

VAR as a system is perfect, the camera never lies. The problem is just the tosser watching it. What we need to do, is to eliminate the human (tosser) imput, and get VAR checked by a computer. self checking VAR

VAR has a margin of error of approx 10 cm when used to measure offside. The 10 cm is an estimate based on camera frame rate and average speed of attackers running forward. An accurate measurement for offside would require the relative speed of the attacker and defender, information not available at the monment. So computer or no computer, nobody knows if a player is offside or not when the margins are very small.

 

[@BluePhil8]

VAR has a margin of error of approx 10 cm when used to measure offside. The 10 cm is an estimate based on camera frame rate and average speed of attackers running forward. An accurate measurement for offside would require the relative speed of the attacker and defender, information not available at the monment. So computer or no computer, nobody knows if a player is offside or not when the margins are very small.

Get cameras that can capture at a higher frame rate? 60fps is a joke.

 

[Machiavelli]

Catching a few today with that pole you absolute wum.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

Get cameras that can capture at a higher frame rate? 60fps is a joke.

No, sack it off or change the off side law so that if an attacker is beyond the last defender by a certain amount, say the diameter of a football (22cm), then it is classed as level and is onside. This gives a large benefit of the doubt to the attacking side. To judge offside by mm measurements of an armpit is ludicrous and completely impractical.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

VAR wont take away that bad taste in your mouth when you know you get shafted by the officials even though they can use a video and lines to draw the right conclusion.

So they can use video and lines to draw the wrong conclusion more like.

 

[Rolee]

Sterling challenge, defender got the ball

He did but he didn't dispossess him, Sterling was still in control had the follow through not taken him out, foul, freekick.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

VAR has a margin of error of approx 10 cm when used to measure offside. The 10 cm is an estimate based on camera frame rate and average speed of attackers running forward. An accurate measurement for offside would require the relative speed of the attacker and defender, information not available at the monment. So computer or no computer, nobody knows if a player is offside or not when the margins are very small.

This is true which means you can't rule a player is off or onside for a figure less than 10cms. The answer to this is just to make allowances for this and take this into account with the decision ie you can never be 10cms offside but 11cms is the margin. It would also be easier if they just took the position of a player's foot as the benchmark. That said we will never see correct decisions as long as the VAR team see their prime role as protecting their pals (the referees) instead of making an honest decision.

 

[Fiftyyearsandcounting]

Aubameyang's goal against United could have been disallowed if the ref' had blown before he poked it in the net. If VAR is designed to overturn official's errors why does the law not allow a goal to stand when the ref' has compounded the flagman's error?
On Sunday you could clearly see Granville on the touchline bending the ear of the 4th official "The referee blew his whistle". Desperate to win, even by cheating, compare that to Pep telling the 4th' "Not a penalty" (Sterling v Shakhtar).

 

[Hart of the Matter]

2 joke decisions in the hertha berlin dusseldorf game. VAR reviews both get it blatantly wrong....

 

[manchester blue]

Get cameras that can capture at a higher frame rate? 60fps is a joke.

I’d go for less. Say four frames per second. Much easier to decide at which point the ball is played and where the attacker is. As it stands with 60 you have too many opportunities for a human to influence which frame to use.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Just watching the rugby, a sport that I know little about. One thing though is obvious - the refereeing and application of “var” is utterly clear to all, no room for bias, but I suppose that’s the difference between corrupt and non corrupt sports, no pandering here to utd, dippers, bayern, Barca, madrid. And they treat their paying fans with respect, and let them know exactly what’s been decided, and what. Fifa, uefa, pl and fa are as blind and bent as fuck

 

[jay_mcfc]

Just watching the rugby, a sport that I know little about. One thing though is obvious - the refereeing and application of “var” is utterly clear to all, no room for bias, but I suppose that’s the difference between corrupt and non corrupt sports, no pandering here to utd, dippers, bayern, Barca, madrid. And they treat their paying fans with respect, and let them know exactly what’s been decided, and what. Fifa, uefa, pl and fa are as blind and bent as fuck

And a referee that was two yards away from the challenge wasn't afraid to change his error when it was clear on video he'd made a mistake.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Watching the Spurs game, blatant penalty claim against spurs waved off by a ref who was 40 yrds away from it, no VAR review not a penalty, blatant pen!

Before the season started there was a lot of talk about how there would be loads of penalties this season. I am beginning to suspect that PGMOL have a target objective of allowing oinly as many pens as last year - Job done, part of a successful implementation. I bet their objectives around VAR is fucking the whoile thing up!

In IT when we have a system to introduce we get our targets and measures, we produce something shit, but when held to account we can say it's successful because we met the SMART objectives - I bet they're working that way with this crap

 

[blue corby]

Watching the Spurs game, blatant penalty claim against spurs waved off by a ref who was 40 yrds away from it, no VAR review not a penalty, blatant pen!

Before the season started there was a lot of talk about how there would be loads of penalties this season. I am beginning to suspect that PGMOL have a target objective of allowing oinly as many pens as last year - Job done, part of a successful implementation. I bet their objectives around VAR is fucking the whoile thing up!

In IT when we have a system to introduce we get our targets and measures, we produce something shit, but when held to account we can say it's successful because we met the SMART objectives - I bet they're working that way with this crap

Jon Moss is the ref , he was so far behind the play he didn’t have a chance of seeing it yet waved away the appeal . He is that slow he shouldn’t be reffing .

 

[spiny]

Does anyone know the laws of the game anymore?

Time was they were easy to understand whether playing on a recreation ground or at the top level in a major stadium. I no longer have a clue.

 

[avoidconfusion]

This is an absolute farce

 

[gingerprince]

I dont know why the onfield referee bothers giving the players the "calm down var is reviewing it" for subjective penalty decisions

as they are never overruling the onfield referee. Ref might as well not waste anytime and just put the ball on the penalty spot and

tell Mane Milner or Salah to take it, or better still just put it on the centre spot as he knows if the goalkeeper saves it, he will just

award a retake citing the keeper moved etc as VAR cannot overule him on that decision either...

 

[Feed the Elk]

Why does an error need to be clear and obvious?
Surely if the ref makes an error, if it can be, it should be over-ruled to get to the correct decision.
Isn’t that what fans want?

 

[WestGorton]

I could cope with bad decisions before var. Its bent as a nine Bob note.

 

[blueinsa]

Why does an error need to be clear and obvious?
Surely if the ref makes an error, if it can be, it should be over-ruled to get to the correct decision.
Isn’t that what fans want?

It is but criminals, betting syndicates and the PL do not.