Another new Brexit thread

[lonestay]

Only thing anyone can be sure of is that a lot of MPs will be reminded by the party whips where their skeletons are currently hidden, and how to keep them hidden !

 

[Bluemanc100]

You're probably right, so we can look forward to another 5 years of the tory party bumming this country. Yay.

the country is already bummed out after the Brexit debacle so hopefully we can get this vote out of the way and start to recover.. growth will accelerate the recovery so let’s hope there are deals to be done..

 

[Ban-jani]

Honestly, I think bigger than that. Much bigger. I think he'd consolidate his +15 point lead and end up with a 80 seat majority or maybe even more.

Labour are all over the floor whilst that imbecile Corbyn is at the helm with Lenin and Abbot at his side. They are unelectable. The only question is how damaged the Tories would be in the next GE and if they have delivered Brexit, the answer would be "not at all".

On a side not fuck me my spelling and grammar is appalling at the minute.

Anyway it all hinges on tomorrow. It’s going to be tight and Johnson has thrown everything at this.

 

[BobKowalski]

A bad one.

Honestly its a ridiculous suggestion mate and a figment of imagination that you might want to be true because it backs your argument up but its not based on any reality.

Actually it’s based on Johnson’s actions as opposed to his words. For example Exhibit A.



Also somewhat puzzled as @Ban-jani agreed with my reasoning and you endorsed it yet disagreed with the post that originated it. Am I missing something?

 

[BobKowalski]

Made me chuckle...

‘Letwin claiming that he loves the Johnson deal and his amendment is simply to help it succeed. Which is why it blocks actually having a vote on the deal’ @buzzfeed

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

And again strengthen the case for independence with that, of all 3 other nations.

I'd have no issue with English only matters excluding three other nations' MPs.

But. There ARE no English only matters, as England doesnt have a parliament. Westminster is England's defacto parliament, and England has the largest number of MPs, it can't be turned into an English only parliament, there would be no point to the Union at all.

That's not what I meant. English Mps to only be allowed to vote on English only matters.

 

[Coatigan]

That's not what I meant. English Mps to only be allowed to vote on English only matters.

I'd agree with that. I would.

How do you determine that though?

They simply abstain, but have the right, if they deem it concerns the union. Which happens now.

 

[yerwot?]

The milion or so who voted leave as a protest against "westminster" safe in the knowledge that immigrants would be kicked out and that therr would be jobs and prosperity for "english people" might not fall for the same fantasy a second time. Maybe knowing that losing their job and house is a real possibility and not "project fear" is too big a gamble, maybe thought of johnson as pm for the next 5 years is repugnant enough to think again? If they are prepared to elect the tories then the country gets what it deserves......
and finds out what "collateral damage" looks like in the flesh, not some edited propaganda newsreel. Que sera, sera, turkeys and christmas, none so blind an' all that

 

[blueinsa]

The milion or so who voted leave as a protest against "westminster" safe in the knowledge that immigrants would be kicked out and that therr would be jobs and prosperity for "english people" might not fall for the same fantasy a second time. Maybe knowing that losing their job and house is a real possibility and not "project fear" is too big a gamble, maybe thought of johnson as pm for the next 5 years is repugnant enough to think again? If they are prepared to elect the tories then the country gets what it deserves......
and finds out what "collateral damage" looks like in the flesh, not some edited propaganda newsreel. Que sera, sera, turkeys and christmas, none so blind an' all that

Wibble, wobble bish bash bosh!

 

[Chippy_boy]

They only way that they could achieve that would be having another referendum tagged on to it. Just holding up the white flag waving Johnson's deal through will not bode well with lots of voters particulary remain voters.

I'm not so sure about the last part.

Of course my experiences are only anecdotal, but most of the people I speak to these days are either "out, out, out", or alternatively remainers who like me have come to the conclusion that reluctantly we just have to get on with it and a deal is better than no deal. I was in a taxi only yesterday and the taxi driver said that was exactly his feeling as well. I've no way of knowing if my experiences are atypical, but if they are not, I think the Remain vote is decaying away somewhat.

 

[bluethrunthru]

This is the biggest weekend in Johnson’s political career.

If he gets it through then he’ll genuinely be Prime Minister for the next 5 years at least, maybe 10.

He knows this and therefore is absolutely desperate to get this through.

His tabloid mates have piled on the pressure and Saturday will be one of the biggest moments in the history of the House of Commons.

It’s 21st century D-Day, just thankfully no one has to give their lives.

Yeah but this example was that the Tory HQ contacted one of their number who left over Brexit and became independent and has now become a Lib Dem because they still had him down as a Tory MP !! He's been gne since 3rd September - fucking shambles

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Controversial opinion. Johnson is lying to them. Johnson is always lying to someone and my bet is that’s it the ERG mob. He needs their votes. But think about it. Why wait 14 months to trigger a no deal scenario? Tories may not even be in power in 14 months. Would make more sense to refuse to do a deal with the EU, get a three month extension forced on him, fight an election as the no deal champion, win it and then no deal in January.

Just a thought.

This way he doesn’t get humiliation of asking for an extension and he goes into an election saying you effectively left by 31st of October.

Chances of getting a majority would be high too. Surely having a deal would remove a lot of the UKIP vote too, although I’m not as well up on the break down in your GEs than you would be.

 

[bluejon]

the country is already bummed out after the Brexit debacle so hopefully we can get this vote out of the way and start to recover.. growth will accelerate the recovery so let’s hope there are deals to be done..

Probably be a good idea then if we started hiring and training people who will have the technical expertise to put those deals in place then because, as of yet, we haven't.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

A bad one.

Honestly its a ridiculous suggestion mate and a figment of imagination that you might want to be true because it backs your argument up but its not based on any reality.

Could be wrong, but I think you misinterpreted Bob’s post.
Think he actually agrees that Johnson will negotiate a deal despite what he may promise the ERG now.

Or is that what you got out of his post.

 

[Ban-jani]

Yeah but this example was that the Tory HQ contacted one of their number who left over Brexit and became independent and has now become a Lib Dem because they still had him down as a Tory MP !! He's been gne since 3rd September - fucking shambles

Pmsl that’s hilarious but unsurprising.

Who’s the MP?

 

[blueinsa]

Could be wrong, but I think you misinterpreted Bob’s post.
Think he actually agrees that Johnson will negotiate a deal despite what he may promise the ERG now.

Or is that what you got out of his post.

I think I did.

Apologies @BobKowalski Its fast moving as always and a skim read doesnt always help when replying.

Edit. No i dont think i did lol. he thinks we are going for a no deal brexit and i dont.

Christ this thread!

 

[aguero93:20]

There is no-one and absolutely nothing which could be worse that May's GE campaign. It is the zero against whilst all other efforts can be calibrated. For some bizarre reason, many people find Johnson quite charismatic and appealing. No human thought that of Theresa May.

That's your belief. I believe Johnson needs to show a level of diligence he's not famous for in an electoral campaign, after all he can hardly send his cabinet out can he? Given he's going to lose probably 20 seats in London and Scotland, he's starting well down.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Pmsl that’s hilarious but unsurprising.

Who’s the MP?

Sam Gyimah

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

It's looking close. Seems to be tipped in the balance of Johnson's favour though

 

[bluethrunthru]

Probably be a good idea then if we started hiring and training people who will have the technical expertise to put those deals in place then because, as of yet, we haven't.

We have Davis, Raab, Truss etc - surely a proven group of winning negotiators?