Shamima Begum

[Ban-jani]

it's illegal to make a person stateless...... goes against international agreements ..... not that this government cares.

Not if they are dual national, which is where the dispute is.

My side of the argument says let the dispute reach its legal course but she can rot as far as we are concerned.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

If Begum had committed crimes in the UK and hadn’t left to join the caliphate, she would be in prison now.

I’m fairly sure Harris became a UK citizen.

You're right ... she hadn't committed crimes in the UK ... and there is no evidence that she's committed crimes anywhere else....... your argument is?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Not if they are dual national, which is where the dispute is.

My side of the argument says let the dispute reach its legal course but she can rot as far as we are concerned.

She's not a dual national ... she was born and raised in the UK ... her parents are from Bangladesh ..but she's never been there, doesn't hold a Bangladeshi passport ..... but f̶a̶c̶i̶s̶t̶s̶ Conservatives seem to think that gives her dual nationality.

Strange tho that they also don't think that people born abroad to an english parent are entitled to British citizenship but will let an American be a PM

Does your logic also make the Queen a dual national ..? ...

 

[The blue phantom]

She's not a dual national ... she was born and raised in the UK ... her parents are from Bangladesh ..but she's never been there, doesn't hold a Bangladeshi passport ..... but f̶a̶c̶i̶s̶t̶s̶ Conservatives seem to think that gives her dual nationality.

Strange tho that they also don't think that people born abroad to an english parent are entitled to British citizenship but will let an American be a PM

Does your logic also make the Queen a dual national ..? ...

A 15 year old girl, born, raised, radicalised, groomed over here is now tossed away by our government just to please the public

 

[Ban-jani]

You're right ... she hadn't committed crimes in the UK ... and there is no evidence that she's committed crimes anywhere else....... your argument is?

She’s admitted, on camera, being a member of an internationally recognised terrorist organisation and there is supporting evidence of her attending to suicide bombers attaching their vests.

She is by international law, a criminal.

Not as criminal as the amount of full stops you put in your posts though. I’d throw you in a Kurdish jail for this.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

She’s admitted, on camera, being a member of an internationally recognised terrorist organisation and there is supporting evidence of her attending to suicide bombers attaching their vests.

She is by international law, a criminal.

Not as criminal as the amount of full stops you put in your posts though. I’d throw you in a Kurdish jail for this.

The Conservatives have allies in Parliament who've done similar tho ... and paid them £1.5 billion of your tax pounds for their support. But for some reason you don't criticise them. Blinkered?

 

[blueinsa]

She’s admitted, on camera, being a member of an internationally recognised terrorist organisation and there is supporting evidence of her attending to suicide bombers attaching their vests.

She is by international law, a criminal.

Not as criminal as the amount of full stops you put in your posts though. I’d throw you in a Kurdish jail for this.

Joining ISIS is not a crime for a few posters on here remember.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

She’s admitted, on camera, being a member of an internationally recognised terrorist organisation and there is supporting evidence of her attending to suicide bombers attaching their vests.

She is by international law, a criminal.

Not as criminal as the amount of full stops you put in your posts though. I’d throw you in a Kurdish jail for this.

She would be classed as a wanted person in our law if using our law correctly. She hasn’t been convicted of anything, so isn’t a criminal as of this moment.

The government has created a rod for its own back now. Instead of quietly bringing her back and trying her, as they have done hundreds of times previously, they have chosen this route and made her a high profile martyr for them now.

I’m not sure what would happen if they put her on a plane bound for London.

 

[Ban-jani]

The Conservatives have allies in Parliament who've done similar tho ... and paid them £1.5 billion of your tax pounds for their support. But for some reason you don't criticise them. Blinkered?

Who the bollocks are you even talking about?

Create a thread for them, provide some evidence and I’ll criticise them too.

What a woeful attempt of whataboutism.

 

[Ban-jani]

She would be classed as a wanted person in our law if using our law correctly. She hasn’t been convicted of anything, so isn’t a criminal as of this moment.

The government has created a rod for its own back now. Instead of quietly bringing her back and trying her, as they have done hundreds of times previously, they have chosen this route and made her a high profile martyr for them now.

I’m not sure what would happen if they put her on a plane bound for London.

@hilts would kick her out of it.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

@hilts would kick her out of it.

My guess is that neither he, nor anyone else, would.

 

[blueinsa]

The counter terrorism and border security act 2019 says she has committed an offence unless I am mistaken?

 

[Ban-jani]

My guess is that neither he, nor anyone else, would.

It was a joke from the other night, never mind.

 

[blueish swede]

The counter terrorism and border security act 2019 says she has committed an offence unless I am mistaken?

You are mistaken. You can't backdate laws.

 

[journolud]

Joining ISIS is not a crime for a few posters on here remember.

They could be right but perhaps you mean some posters on here think it isn't morally wrong to join ISIS. Care to be more explicit?

The counter terrorism and border security act 2019 says she has committed an offence unless I am mistaken?

I'm not sure it's clear cut but it's also a bit of a red herring as far as the thread goes. The debate seems to be whether she is a **** or not.

https://www.ft.com/content/157c8e12-3053-11e9-8744-e7016697f225

 

[journolud]

https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/research/perspective/shamima-begum.aspx

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...mima-begum-grooming-islamic-state-pregnant-uk

I'm not necessarioly agreeing with everything in these links but good to see a different perspective

 

[Bovril]

Lets be clear, she made a decision to leave this country to join a caliphate which murdered Christians, non believers of Islam, threw homosexuals off buildings, raped woman and children whilst selling them like it was the stock market, murdered innocent people in the most horrific ways. When the caliphate fell ie. thankfully defeated she was rightfully incarcerated in the country she was in. When the going was a little tough after her husband (or was it the second husband) was thankfully killed, she suddenly decided she wanted out, back to the UK to carry on as if nothing had happened. She was interviewed and showed absolutely no remorse for what she did, what her fellow ISIS colleagues did and just shrugged it off when asked what she thought about seeing severed heads and public executions. Now for those here that thinks that this poor excuse of a British citizen should be allowed back here to continue her hate for this country then I suggest you lot get a plane ticket to Turkey and cross the border to join her and tell her how bad this country is by denying her the civil rights she denied murdered innocent people. Oh and whilst we are at it lets blame the Tories.

 

[Bovril]

Who the bollocks are you even talking about?

Create a thread for them, provide some evidence and I’ll criticise them too.

What a woeful attempt of whataboutism.

Give him a break, he is probably sat in a tent in Piccadilly protesting against the white helmets tirelessly saving children from the Assad regime indiscriminately bombing Idlib, whilst blaming anyone but the Syrians, Corbyn and the Iranians.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Lets be clear, she made a decision to leave this country to join a caliphate which murdered Christians, non believers of Islam, threw homosexuals off buildings, raped woman and children whilst selling them like it was the stock market, murdered innocent people in the most horrific ways. When the caliphate fell ie. thankfully defeated she was rightfully incarcerated in the country she was in. When the going was a little tough after her husband (or was it the second husband) was thankfully killed, she suddenly decided she wanted out, back to the UK to carry on as if nothing had happened. She was interviewed and showed absolutely no remorse for what she did, what her fellow ISIS colleagues did and just shrugged it off when asked what she thought about seeing severed heads and public executions. Now for those here that thinks that this poor excuse of a British citizen should be allowed back here to continue her hate for this country then I suggest you lot get a plane ticket to Turkey and cross the border to join her and tell her how bad this country is by denying her the civil rights she denied murdered innocent people. Oh and whilst we are at it lets blame the Tories.

its called religion .... not yours obviously .... but Christianity has been guilty of worse .... mote in the eye and all that

 

[Bovril]

its called religion .... not yours obviously .... but Christianity has been guilty of worse .... mote in the eye and all that

To be clear I do not have an ounce of religion in me its a cop out, however probably unlike you, I have been to and seen at first hand the monstrosity that is the Middle East.