CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

[TCIB]

Good stuff TCIB, always have time for SB, coming on here on a hiding to nothing in the past and defending his stance is admirable, has more bollocks than any of those shithouse's on Twitter put together, in fact he fuckin shames them.

Was just thinking that, the bloke did exactly as you say and that gained a lot of respect from me. One day someone else will be getting sports writer of the year awards besides Samual and i hope it is him.

 

[twosips]

Projectriver always gives off the vibe he would have been more excited if we didn’t get off. Maybe the podcast would have got more views then I dunno.

That's bullshit. Says what you don't want to hear so you say that? He doesn't need me to kiss his arse, but Stefan is a professional with incredibly high standards and a shit tonne of experience in this field. Probably why he's so successful personally I'd guess. Brighter than 99% of us on here (if not more). He calls it as he sees it, and he's been absolutely bang on throughout all this. I don't always agree with his footballing opinions and find him a lot more cynical than most, defo, but his credentials warrant respect and I've absolutely no doubt he has no agenda whatsoever. He's a blue and that much is clear.

It's also pretty fucking clear he doesn't need this podcast at all, and it makes no difference to him at all if it does well or not. It's obviously a hobby for him.

 

[Ric]

Statement from City:

“The questions and matters raised by Der Spiegel appear to be a cynical attempt to publicly re-litigate and undermine a case that has been fully adjudicated, after detailed proceedings and due process, by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

“Manchester City’s policy remains not to comment on out of context materials purported to have been criminally obtained from City Football Group and Manchester City personnel.”

 

[slbsn]

I asked this a little earlier in the thread

Do you reckon it's now time to get the lawyers involved with DS?
They have in their possession illegally obtained documents and emails of City's that will expressly state on them

" This e-mail and any attachments may be confidential and/or legally privileged information.
If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, copy, print or distribute this e-mail or attachments. If you have received it in error please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of the message and any attachments. The view of the author may not necessarily reflect those of the companies. The companies make no representation or warranty as to the absence of viruses in this e-mail or any attachments."

Plus DS deliberately altered emails and then printed the manipulated emails, so in fact "lied"

It is a specialist area of law but I just don't understand how we haven't got the files back and deleted. They are clearly stolen data.

 

[waspish]

Statement from City:

“The questions and matters raised by Der Spiegel appear to be a cynical attempt to publicly re-litigate and undermine a case that has been fully adjudicated, after detailed proceedings and due process, by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

“Manchester City’s policy remains not to comment on out of context materials purported to have been criminally obtained from City Football Group and Manchester City personnel.”

So are we going to release statements everytime they release another email? This shit be going on for ever we need to shut them down.

 

[slbsn]

Statement from City:

“The questions and matters raised by Der Spiegel appear to be a cynical attempt to publicly re-litigate and undermine a case that has been fully adjudicated, after detailed proceedings and due process, by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

“Manchester City’s policy remains not to comment on out of context materials purported to have been criminally obtained from City Football Group and Manchester City personnel.”

Yeah, not ideal they felt the need to say anything. Like or not, I think they are concerned. As I said, it will probably come to nothing but it's a complication they could do without.

 

[Centurions]

I'm concerned enough to want City to shut this Der Spiegel stuff down ASAP, with whatever legal means necessary.

It's like a blackmailer who keeps coming back for more.

Our rivals don't need any invitation to call for more to be asked of Uefa.

It's entirely plausible they held on to this latest batch as a cynical insurance policy just in case we won?

We were daft enough to be caught with our pants down in the first place re being hacked, so forgive me being worried that someone is trying to now hang us by our own petard.

I've never been in any doubt we have sailed close to the wind, but FFS, make sure the trail is covered.

I don't know if you're aware or not but the 'hack' was perpetrated by someone sending a City employee a very genuine looking UEFA email. They clicked on a link presumably and that was 'all she wrote', they had a way in to the system. And yes, it can be that easy when you've possibly got tools designed by the Qatar security forces.

Someone at my place of employment did the same a while back, and the high ups have been getting emails and texts asking them to change bank details for payments and such ever since. It's a scary world we live in.

 

[dickie davies]

Statement from City:

“The questions and matters raised by Der Spiegel appear to be a cynical attempt to publicly re-litigate and undermine a case that has been fully adjudicated, after detailed proceedings and due process, by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

“Manchester City’s policy remains not to comment on out of context materials purported to have been criminally obtained from City Football Group and Manchester City personnel.”

So since CAS ruled in our favour, Tebas has been caught asking for money and the Saudi's have pulled the plug on buying Newcastle
Who next?

 

[LongsightM13]

I asked this a little earlier in the thread

I asked this a little earlier in the thread

Do you reckon it's now time to get the lawyers involved with DS?
They have in their possession illegally obtained documents and emails of City's that will expressly state on them

" This e-mail and any attachments may be confidential and/or legally privileged information.
If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, copy, print or distribute this e-mail or attachments. If you have received it in error please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of the message and any attachments. The view of the author may not necessarily reflect those of the companies. The companies make no representation or warranty as to the absence of viruses in this e-mail or any attachments."

Plus DS deliberately altered emails and then printed the manipulated emails, so in fact "lied"

Do you reckon it's now time to get the lawyers involved with DS?
They have in their possession illegally obtained documents and emails of City's that will expressly state on them

" This e-mail and any attachments may be confidential and/or legally privileged information.
If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, copy, print or distribute this e-mail or attachments. If you have received it in error please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of the message and any attachments. The view of the author may not necessarily reflect those of the companies. The companies make no representation or warranty as to the absence of viruses in this e-mail or any attachments."

Plus DS deliberately altered emails and then printed the manipulated emails, so in fact "lied"

On the face of it they are in possession of personal data which appears to have been criminally obtained and which they have no legal entitlement per se to hold.
However, the GDPR allows for fairly broad exemptions in the case of data being held for legitimate journalistic purposes in the public interest. The law is still fairly new in this area and to my knowledge hasn’t really been tested in court. City would have to apply to a German court but there is no guarantee that we would win

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

.

So since CAS ruled in our favour, Tebas has been caught asking for money and the Saudi's have pulled the plug on buying Newcastle
Who next?

Criminal charges brought against Infantino today.

https://www.dw.com/en/switzerland-l...st-fifa-president-gianni-infantino/a-54380015

 

[Centurions]

It is a specialist area of law but I just don't understand how we haven't got the files back and deleted. They are clearly stolen data.

They'll reply that it's in the public interest and that Pinto is a whistle blower, not a criminal. It's the fallback line of every journalist.

 

[dickie davies]

On the face of it they are in possession of personal data which appears to have been criminally obtained and which they have no legal entitlement per se to hold.
However, the GDPR allows for fairly broad exemptions in the case of data being held for legitimate journalistic purposes in the public interest. The law is still fairly new in this area and to my knowledge hasn’t really been tested in court. City would have to apply to a German court but there is no guarantee that we would win

We could ask for it back nicely and if they refuse we'll revert to the tried and trusted Bluemoon resolution formula of fire, sister and backdoor smashing

 

[domalino]

Yeah, not ideal they felt the need to say anything. Like or not, I think they are concerned. As I said, it will probably come to nothing but it's a complication they could do without.

They got the word out to Mullock very quickly as well.

 

[dannybcity]

On the face of it they are in possession of personal data which appears to have been criminally obtained and which they have no legal entitlement per se to hold.
However, the GDPR allows for fairly broad exemptions in the case of data being held for legitimate journalistic purposes in the public interest. The law is still fairly new in this area and to my knowledge hasn’t really been tested in court. City would have to apply to a German court but there is no guarantee that we would win

This was what I was alluding to earlier in the thread. Its one thing a newspaper publishing a set of documents they argue is in the public interest, but surely it's another thing to drip feed them with a view to maximising sales?

 

[Ric]

Yeah, not ideal they felt the need to say anything. Like or not, I think they are concerned. As I said, it will probably come to nothing but it's a complication they could do without.

Yeah, I was surprised that the club commented at all tbh.

 

[HelloCity]

It's just nonsense. Idiotic in fact. Couldn't care less who listens to the podcast. I do it purely to assist fellow obsessives understand the situation better. And my analysis has been broadly correct, lacking in happy clappy nonsense but calling out situations where people try and mislead on minor points such as Der Spiegel's emails today.

BUT the concern is that we now have another round of Der Spiegel searching the database. It will probably come to nothing. But it does complicate the thing if they can still trawl 5.5m docs with a list of target statements to undermine from the CAS judgment.

Ok my comment was extreme but on the opposite side of ‘happy clapping’ you stated on Twitter how we should have settled. I just felt that was giving an overly false impression to those that might look up to your good knowledge.

 

[LongsightM13]

I don't know if you're aware or not but the 'hack' was perpetrated by someone sending a City employee a very genuine looking UEFA email. They clicked on a link presumably and that was 'all she wrote', they had a way in to the system. And yes, it can be that easy when you've possibly got tools designed by the Qatar security forces.

Someone at my place of employment did the same a while back, and the high ups have been getting emails and texts asking them to change bank details for payments and such ever since. It's a scary world we live in.

Phishing. It’s a common and commonly effective scam because at the end of the day human beings make mistakes, often when they’re busy or under pressure, no matter how much cyber security training they’ve had

 

[crystal_mais]

are these fuckers ever going to give up

 

[mrbelfry]

I'm not so sure that the IC leaking the findings did not necessarily have an impact on the decision making. The fact that decisions were leaked means that someone on the IC was secretly in touch with someone on the outside of the IC. That relationship probably existed before the investigation, and it is feasible that that member of the IC was influenced by that person. It is even possible that the IC member was being paid off by the person or persons they leaked the information to. It is quite possible that the IC was tainted, and with UEFA's history, even bribed.

Possibly but then the IC send the case to the AC. CAS 1 dealt with this right? It's a fresh set of eyes and the AC could have dropped the case regardless of any dodginess in the IC. CAS implied if we had co-operated with the AC then that might have been the outcome. When it hits CAS it is all new again anyway. So whatever was leaked or bought in the IC becomes irrelevant to judging the case. Obviously it remains relevant in a wider sense.

CAS addressed some of the leaking and had the approach that the leaks were reporting decisions rather than influencing them

 

[twosips]

Honestly, I really hoped this would fuck off forever. For fans like myself who really just want to talk about football, it's incredibly fucking tedious having to pretend to have any interest in litigation or finance. Guess it's gonna roll on and on and on...sigh.