COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BlueAnorak]

If data feeds to the dashboard front end failed then the tracing of cases SHOULD still have happened. We need to know.

PHE England is effing useless.

As I said right at the start the army needs to be in charge of test and trace as well as departmental communications. Our Civil Service couldn't run a piss up in a brewery.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I switch my SIM card between 2 iPhones so I don’t risk damaging the better one when I am doing heavy work. Unfortunately, that has stopped the Covid App from working. That’s fair enough but it’s not great for a £10bn Covid App

 

[Holcombe bloo]

Warning for all my fellow blues! I have just tested positive for Covid and was below 37.5c had smell and taste still just thought I was getting a cold as felt shiver and achy. My wife persuaded me to go as I thought I was wasting a test! Please if in any doubt get the test.

 

[BlueAnorak]

False alarms from the English contact tracing app. A later version of the core Apple/Google software embedded in the app should resolve the issue.
What a fucking shambles:

Disappearing Covid-19 app alerts cause alarm - BBC News

Users of the England and Wales contact-tracing apps are reporting getting alerts which then vanish.

www.bbc.co.uk

The Civil Service is fucking useless.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

False alarms from the English contact tracing app. A later version of the core Apple/Google software embedded in the app should resolve the issue.
What a fucking shambles:

Disappearing Covid-19 app alerts cause alarm - BBC News

Users of the England and Wales contact-tracing apps are reporting getting alerts which then vanish.

www.bbc.co.uk

The Civil Service is fucking useless.

most are just preying for another lockdown.

100% Full pay , no redundancy risk , sat at home. Lovely.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

If data feeds to the dashboard front end failed then the tracing of cases SHOULD still have happened. We need to know.

PHE England is effing useless.

As I said right at the start the army needs to be in charge of test and trace as well as departmental communications. Our Civil Service couldn't run a piss up in a brewery.

Dido Harding is in charge of this and has brought in her own people. Ideologically, the Government favoured privatising track and trace and in doing so sidelined local public health teams. I am not a big fan of Local Government but track and trace couldn’t be done in the UK without giving them a leading role. Dildo and Serco need to own this I’m afraid.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Warning for all my fellow blues! I have just tested positive for Covid and was below 37.5c had smell and taste still just thought I was getting a cold as felt shiver and achy. My wife persuaded me to go as I thought I was wasting a test! Please if in any doubt get the test.

Sorry to hear that Holcomb bloo. At least the virus seems to have been caught early in your case. Hope you are fully recovered soon.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

5 (five) attempts to 'check-in' and not managed it yet.

I'm no techno idiot, downloaded it twice in case that was the issue.

Thing is if you say you've got the app nobody checks it's worked at wherever you are. People can just wave a phone and walk in and there'd be no record you'd been in there.

World class app my arse.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

It is a shambles mate and answers to what has happened need to be found. It is linked to a breakdown in track and trace so the public purse may be vulnerable to litigation from people who caught the virus without knowing they were in the company of peole who might have tested positive. Hopefully not because the Government have said all people who were tested positive were notified and hopefully they self-isolated.

I think,!whitty and Vallance called it as they saw it (if peole didn’t take precautions). Effectively, a worst case scenario. Hopefully, the restrictions put in place mean we won’t go down the Whitry and Vallance worst case route but tens of thousands of people have the virus now (11k is the tested positive figure) so 50k during October is not impossible.

The reasons why the death rate in the 2nd wave are much lower will be multifactorial and may include: lots of the most susceptible peole dying in the first wave (as other posters have suggested); more younger people having the virus this time round (so far); improved medication and reduced ventilation; better weather during the Summer / Autumn meaning people send more time outdoors; and continued obedience with social distancing, hand washing and some face mask wearing in parts of the Country.

The shambles is the reason why case figures are always an unreliable way to make policy. Look at numbers in ICU and hospital admissions (although both scenarios have to be admitted ‘because of Covid‘ not with it or acquired in hospital. If people want to look at numbers go with the ONS and the Covid Symptom App. These both estimate the number of cases currently is about 220000, half of which are in the 30 and under age groups. They also estimate that the prevalence has all but levelled off in the last week to 10 days and I’d always trust those numbers ahead of and World Class anything this government had a hand in producing.

 

[peoffrey]

Goodness, plain clothed police officers came in to the pub last night and had a major go at the gaffer. He's not made his bar staff do table service and neither was she wearing a mask. He pleaded ignorance (if you knew him then you'd understand...) but he was really pissed off afterwards. Bleating on about not being able to afford to pay more staff etc. I'm going to suggest he does a tab system for the regulars to speed up payment.

I guarantee he'll get closed down if they do a spot check again. Guarantee they do.

 

[shemnel]

right, this is utterly shambolic;

the 16,000 missed cases are apparently because test results are being shifted around EXCEL FILES, that exceeded maximum row number. Anyone who isnt as tech savvy, excel is useless and this sort of stuff should autometically be done in a robust SQL database, this is really 101 stuff. I am quite shocked.

Blame game after 16,000 Covid cases missed due to Excel glitch

A clearer picture of the country's outbreak has emerged after some 16,000 confirmed infections had to be added to the daily totals running back more than a week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Failure to record thousands of confirmed Covid-19 cases branded ‘shambolic’

The blunder came as the total number of lab-confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK passed 500,000.

www.bracknellnews.co.uk

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The shambles is the reason why case figures are always an unreliable way to make policy. Look at numbers in ICU and hospital admissions (although both scenarios have to be admitted ‘because of Covid‘ not with it or acquired in hospital. If people want to look at numbers go with the ONS and the Covid Symptom App. These both estimate the number of cases currently is about 220000, half of which are in the 30 and under age groups. They also estimate that the prevalence has all but levelled off in the last week to 10 days and I’d always trust those numbers ahead of and World Class anything this government had a hand in producing.

I mainly follow the ONS on case numbers but I’m not sure that their data would have a good handle on spikes that start from the student population. I used to visit the local University GP Practice with work and most of the students couldn’t tenner the names of the family GPS. I’m not sure the ONS would be able to contact people in Halls of Residence / away from their family homes but I might be wrong on that.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Goodness, plain clothed police officers came in to the pub last night and had a major go at the gaffer. He's not made his bar staff do table service and neither was she wearing a mask. He pleaded ignorance (if you knew him then you'd understand...) but he was really pissed off afterwards. Bleating on about not being able to afford to pay more staff etc. I'm going to suggest he does a tab system for the regulars to speed up payment.

I guarantee he'll get closed down if they do a spot check again. Guarantee they do.

Ignorance to what, the fact it should be table service, wearing a mask or both?

 

[peoffrey]

Ignorance to what, the fact it should be table service, wearing a mask or both?

Both tbh.

The regular barmaid is a funny one. She once refused to serve someone who didn't say please (he could barely speak English) but was happy to gossip on the phone whilst she poured other pints. I don't particularly like her but it's where I drink so c'est la vie. She's a U****d fan btw.

She's so stuck in her ways that the gaffer hasn't made her do what she's supposed to. It's one of those locals that's a bit cliquey. Certain regulars control the remote for the TV so it's horse racing regardless of how many want to watch the match.

I'm really not selling it, am I?!

 

[True_Blue69]

Goodness, plain clothed police officers came in to the pub last night and had a major go at the gaffer. He's not made his bar staff do table service and neither was she wearing a mask. He pleaded ignorance (if you knew him then you'd understand...) but he was really pissed off afterwards. Bleating on about not being able to afford to pay more staff etc. I'm going to suggest he does a tab system for the regulars to speed up payment.

I guarantee he'll get closed down if they do a spot check again. Guarantee they do.

It's a good job we hired so many additional police officers that they can go round checking pubs. It's some comfort to know that next time my house gets burgled they won't take 4 days to turn up now there are clearly an excess of officers required.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Both tbh.

The regular barmaid is a funny one. She once refused to serve someone who didn't say please (he could barely speak English) but was happy to gossip on the phone whilst she poured other pints. I don't particularly like her but it's where I drink so c'est la vie. She's a U****d fan btw.

She's so stuck in her ways that the gaffer hasn't made her do what she's supposed to. It's one of those locals that's a bit cliquey. Certain regulars control the remote for the TV so it's horse racing regardless of how many want to watch the match.

I'm really not selling it, am I?!

The Slaughtered Lamb by any chance?

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Goodness, plain clothed police officers came in to the pub last night and had a major go at the gaffer. He's not made his bar staff do table service and neither was she wearing a mask. He pleaded ignorance (if you knew him then you'd understand...) but he was really pissed off afterwards. Bleating on about not being able to afford to pay more staff etc. I'm going to suggest he does a tab system for the regulars to speed up payment.

I guarantee he'll get closed down if they do a spot check again. Guarantee they do.

No bad thing if he cant stick to the rules is it?

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

right, this is utterly shambolic;

the 16,000 missed cases are apparently because test results are being shifted around EXCEL FILES, that exceeded maximum row number. Anyone who isnt as tech savvy, excel is useless and this sort of stuff should autometically be done in a robust SQL database, this is really 101 stuff. I am quite shocked.

Blame game after 16,000 Covid cases missed due to Excel glitch

A clearer picture of the country's outbreak has emerged after some 16,000 confirmed infections had to be added to the daily totals running back more than a week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Failure to record thousands of confirmed Covid-19 cases branded ‘shambolic’

The blunder came as the total number of lab-confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK passed 500,000.

www.bracknellnews.co.uk

Looks like the data was being exported into the Excel files for transfer to other systems. I've worked in NHS IT systems and they are quite often transferring data between organisations using Excel files (or were when last in the NHS in 2017) usually uploading via secure portals. My guess is they are piggy backing the data sharing using existing systems but the files are much bigger than they're expecting. An automatic export of data from a database should report an error if it doesn't complete (if it was me I would re-import the exported file and compare row counts but no-one ever does that because they're lazy and think they have covered every possibility. You never can.)

 

[grunge]

What is long Covid and why are people having symptoms for months?

More than one million people have had symptoms for longer than three months

www.independent.co.uk

'Long Covid' could turn out to be a bigger problem than excess deaths

The effects of “long Covid” could turn out to be a bigger public health problem than excess deaths, one of Britain’s leading experts has warned. Prof Tim Spector, the scientist behind Britain’s symptom-tracking app, warned that the virus behaves like an auto-immune disease in some sufferers...

uk.style.yahoo.com

Some experts now feeling that Long-Covid could be bigger issue than the excess deaths. currently 1 in 10 are still ill after a month, 1 in 50 are still ill 3+ months after infection.

 

[peoffrey]

No bad thing if he cant stick to the rules is it?

I drink somewhere else too and have the gaffer there on Facebook. She was all "LOL! I'm not doing table service. Come and get your own drinks." She's about sixteen stone so I can see why she thinks like that...

It really pisses me off because I've drank in some fantastic pubs over the years and they've all been taken over and ruined. Foodie, trendy etc.