COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

There are now 3093 in UK hospitals with Covid. And 391 with Covid on ventilators.

By way of comparison, on April 12th, there were 18970 and 4014 on ventilators.

 

[cleavers]

If everyone who met indoors, sat 6 feet apart and had 2 windows open, they wouldn’t pass it on.

Whilst it's very good advice to do that, it's not the case people wouldn't pass it on, many people pick it up from contaminated surfaces, so you could stay 6 feet apart and have every window open, but minute particles will still settle on things you touch, such as tables, rails, cushions, taps, toilet seats, etc etc, and there are only so many times you can sensibly sanitise your hands, without touching around your nose or mouth.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

*If* the vast number of cases are in care homes and universities then that surely puts the increase into context i.e not in the community but in buildings were very few(none) are leaving so have a limited opportunity to pass it on - what I'm getting at is if say increases are in care homes, why are resturants shutting ealry?

An independent resturant can get a 10k fine and a threat of closure if they don't follow the strict rules but we csn cram on as many people as possible to the Metrolink on a Saturday night with no fines issued. Very inconsistent

I don’t agree with pubs / restaurants shutting at 10pm. However, Students do part time jobs in pubs, supermarkets, restaurants etc and lots go home to their parents / families. The students who aren’t locked down in halls of residents have plenty of opportunities to spread the virus. Care homes workers can also spread the virus. They are part of the general population.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The maximum size of a worksheet in excel is 1,048,576 rows by 16,384 columns.
I believe their are 2 columns per specimen. So if you go over 8,192 specimens you can't export data beyond that number. An error is generated in a log file but I doubt it was read

ok thanks for the explanation.

 

[inchy14]

Sources for that please, people commit suicide for a whole host of reasons , they might have lost someone or any other reason

Well seeing as the rates are at their highest since 2000 I’m going to go with Covid causing depression etc. Last night on the news in the car they said children’s suicide rates have also gone up. Kids depressed because their missing school and friends, that should cause concern in everyone that we’re not looking after the vulnerable amongst us. Bury your heads in the sand all you want if you think Covid deaths are more important but I’m sorry I don’t, there are plenty of other preventable deaths occurring but we’re focusing too much on the one thing.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Sources for that please, people commit suicide for a whole host of reasons , they might have lost someone or any other reason

Oh seriously Karen!?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Whilst it's very good advice to do that, it's not the case people wouldn't pass it on, many people pick it up from contaminated surfaces, so you could stay 6 feet apart and have every window open, but minute particles will still settle on things you touch, such as tables, rails, cushions, taps, toilet seats, etc etc, and there are only so many times you can sensibly sanitise your hands, without touching around your nose or mouth.

Highly unlikely you’ll catch it from surfaces though as it mainly spreads through respiratory droplets in the air.

New research into the infectious potential of contaminated surfaces has forced a downgrading of early concerns that people might fall ill by touching a door knob or a light switch. “The surface issue has essentially gone away,” a leading American specialist in infectious diseases declared.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-can-i-be-infected-by-touching-surfaces-ljrbthz8d

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Well seeing as the rates are at their highest since 2000 I’m going to go with Covid causing depression etc. Last night on the news in the car they said children’s suicide rates have also gone up. Kids depressed because their missing school and friends, that should cause concern in everyone that we’re not looking after the vulnerable amongst us. Bury your heads in the sand all you want if you think Covid deaths are more important but I’m sorry I don’t, there are plenty of other preventable deaths occurring but we’re focusing too much on the one thing.

bang on the money, young people have been forgotten completely in this rush to fix everything Covid. Students get blamed but they have properly shafted loaded with debt the majority now being forced to pay for things that are not being provided. Futures ruined. My daughter is at Uni but her future career has been ruined by Covid with the government providing no support. No wonder so many of them ar disobeying the convoluted rules. My youngest is very woried about the future and her job proapects.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

One problem with data / information checks is that qualitative checks can be affected by people’s bias / expectations. I am going back to 2009 to give an example but I tried to give the manager in the NHS Information Centre, responsible for the NHS Workforce Census, a heads up that the NHS had recruited an extra 4,000 junior doctors that year.

I was responsible for a programme of work to help the NHS to reduce the average working hours of doctors in training to 48 and I had undertaken my own survey. This was by far the biggest increase in NHS junior doctors numbers in history so the manager from the NHS Information Centre was adamant I was wrong. The official Census was published a couple of months later confirming my findings.

 

[kaz7]

Following the letter signed by GPs that I posted the other day, I checked the report on child suicides and the researchers found that an additional 12 children had sadly taken their own lives for reasons linked to the lockdown. The source is the National Child Mortality Database

https://www.ncmd.info/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/REF253-2020-NCMD-Summary-Report-on-Child-Suicide-July-2020.pdf

As it says too small a number to be significant , i think we have to be careful with suicide numbers , lockdown might be the last straw but if it wasnt that it could easily be something else

Inchy's source was 2019 and lower than it was before

 

[inchy14]

The data in the article refers to last year and actually says this years early data are at a 19 year low though it may be an artefact due to coroners courts being closed.

Apologies. Posted wrong link

https://www.ncmd.info/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/REF253-2020-NCMD-Summary-Report-on-Child-Suicide-July-2020.pdf

 

[kaz7]

My daughter at university in Liverpool now has it!

Oh no , hope she is ok

 

[cleavers]

Highly unlikely you’ll catch it from surfaces though as it mainly spreads through respiratory droplets in the air.

New research into the infectious potential of contaminated surfaces has forced a downgrading of early concerns that people might fall ill by touching a door knob or a light switch. “The surface issue has essentially gone away,” a leading American specialist in infectious diseases declared.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-can-i-be-infected-by-touching-surfaces-ljrbthz8d

Thanks, but I can only read 5 lines, and I'm not subcribing to any print media website I'm afraid.

Still one of the biggest pieces of advice is "wash your hands" anyway, so I'll continue to be cautious about "surfaces".

 

[Tim of the Oak]

As it says too small a number to be significant , i think we have to be careful with suicide numbers , lockdown might be the last straw but if it wasnt that it could easily be something else

Inchy's source was 2019 and lower than it was before

I take your point but the 12 cases were about half of the child suicides for the period, 12 out of 25 IIRC.

 

[kaz7]

Well seeing as the rates are at their highest since 2000 I’m going to go with Covid causing depression etc. Last night on the news in the car they said children’s suicide rates have also gone up. Kids depressed because their missing school and friends, that should cause concern in everyone that we’re not looking after the vulnerable amongst us. Bury your heads in the sand all you want if you think Covid deaths are more important but I’m sorry I don’t, there are plenty of other preventable deaths occurring but we’re focusing too much on the one thing.

Did you read your own source ?

 

[worsleyweb]

Oh no , hope she is ok

more worried about how she will cope, only left last week for his first year and now ten days on her own in a tiny room with strangers. Just been on the phone and she is in tears! Bloody hard. Not sure what to do!!!

 

[inchy14]

As it says too small a number to be significant , i think we have to be careful with suicide numbers , lockdown might be the last straw but if it wasnt that it could easily be something else

Inchy's source was 2019 and lower than it was before

I’ve reposted what I’d intended to. The thing is, with mass unemployment and people losing homes because of this the suicides and mental health issues to follow will last a generation, kids, students also will be massively affected.
Normally you’d be going crazy about this government’s actions and a rise in suicide yet now you won’t say a fucking thing.
They’re killing people by their actions, we all know it but for some reason some just don’t want to say it.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

In the world, so far this year, there have been 819000 suicides and 1,044,000 deaths from Covid, which is almost exactly the same as deaths from road traffic accidents.
The suicide figure is based on WHO stats but is going up more than is usual for this late in the year.
By way of contrast, so far this year: 8.5M have died from hunger, 6 million children under 5 have died, 1.2M have died from HIV/AIDS, 6.2M have died from cancer, 4M from smoking fags and 1.9M from drink and just under 10M from communicable diseases.

https://www.worldometers.info/

Sorry you cant print figures like that on here! People will get upset and tell you you cant compare deaths as one is a pandemic and is therefore much more important and all you are doing is downplaying covid.

 

[Cityfan]

I’ve reposted what I’d intended to. The thing is, with mass unemployment and people losing homes because of this the suicides and mental health issues to follow will last a generation, kids, students also will be massively affected.
Normally you’d be going crazy about this government’s actions and a rise in suicide yet now you won’t say a fucking thing.
They’re killing people by their actions, we all know it but for some reason some just don’t want to say it.

I think it highly likely that suicides are going up, everyone is having a pretty miserable time.
In this instance I think it is right that the government try not to publicise data on it. Suicide is a pretty imitative behaviour and publicising it can generate its own momentum.

 

[inchy14]

Sorry you cant print figures like that on here! People will get upset and tell you you cant compare deaths as one is a pandemic and is therefore much more important and all you are doing is downplaying covid.

Also 1,900,000 caused by drinking.... maybe that’s why they’ve shut the pubs early to bring this number down.