COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[inchy14]

Scousers doing what they do best, always the victim.

Yet not a single fuck given choosing it upon themselves to ignore the advice and restrictions to flood the city centre with 25,000 people to have a title party.

That, and the Atletico Madrid game, put that place on a one-way ticket to chaos.

Feel sorry for those businesses there that did adhere.

And clamp down on rule breakers.

But how? Fines to me are a joke as some can hardly afford them as it is.

 

[inchy14]

Find that hard to believe. I have been going to the gym on and off for c20yrs. They are filthy and the meatheads in those places have no concept of hygiene. Gyms are germ factories.

Mine has sanitizer stations everywhere and people are certainly cleaning everything after use. I know they used to be bad but most are complying.

 

[Healdplace]

GM scoreboard:

Manchester 401 - up from 333. Total cases 13,359. Pop score up 72 to enter the 2400 club at 2416. (Last Tuesday was 557 cases)

The other big scorers today were Liverpool - top again on 503 cases. With Pop score up to 2477. Well ahead of Manchester now. Nottingham had 493 as well. And Birmingham 306. And Bradford 250 Knowsley rose to 177 but given its tiny size that shot up the pop score by 118 in the day to be now by far the worst at 2679. 400 ahead of Leicester who were top on this measure just a couple of weeks back but with onky modest case numbers now (80 today) is one of the few places under control these days. Blackburn had 100 today and its pop score rose to 2488.

Wigan 250 - up from 170. (Last Tuesday 182 cases) A catastrophic day for Wigan which had - 0 cases one day two months ago and only narrowly missed setting its highest ever number today. Regularly second behind Manchester now. GM will not be OK until it starts really falling here. Total cases 5677. Pop score up a staggering 102 (it once went DOWN as it got a negative number one day in the Summer!) to reach 1752. It has got there from 758 by adding an amazing 1000 to its scor in just four weeks. Half of that in the last 9 days.

Bolton 187 - up from 157 (last Tuesday 176 cases). Not a good day here either after being 69 a few days ago, Total cases 6530. Pop score up 65 to 2271.

Rochdale 177 - up to a new high from 135 (last Tuesday 128 cases). Total cases 5049. Pop score up 79 to 2270 - almost level with Bolton.

Oldham 167 - up big from 99 (last Tuesday 165 cases). Total cases 5850. Pop score up 70 enter enter the 2400 club at 2467.

Salford 163 - up from 110 (last Tuesday 164 cases). Total cases 4901. Pop score up 64 to 1894.

Tameside 162 - huge rise from 73 and 4 of the last 5 days under 100 (last Tuesday 111). Total cases 4318. Pop score up 72 to enter the 1900 club at 1907.

Stockport 140 - down from 159 (last Tuesday 149). Total cases 4267. Pop score up 48 to 1454.

Bury 124 - up from 89 (last Tuesday 116). Total cases 3930. Pop score up 65 to enter the 2000 club at 2058. The fifth GM Borough to enter the 2000s after only having one there a month back. Tameside only two or three days from making it six and Salford probably not far behind.

Trafford 110 - down from 120 to be best in GM today (last Tuesday was 141). Total cases 3799. Pop score up 47 but just sneaks into the 1600 club at 1601. Still gained one on Stockport to be just 147 behind in top GM pop score.

 

[inchy14]

Johnson and Hancock perhaps?

Something about Hancock I don’t like....

 

[cleavers]

I would have thought the lockdown would need to be 3-4 weeks. No one allowed out of their home, no flights in or out. Food delivered by the army.

Will they deliver my naked wine order ?

 

[True_Blue69]

I would have thought the lockdown would need to be 3-4 weeks. No one allowed out of their home, no flights in or out. Food delivered by the army. If you’re sick you get collected and taken to the hospital.

I know it’ll be tough but that’s the only way to get rid of it.

Those with it either recover at home, get treated or sadly pass away but if we want to get rid of this thing that’s what it’ll take.

No mixing whatsoever.

It sounds good but it's just not possible. Emergency services still need to operate, bin collectors, supermarkets, building work to be completed on people's houses, appliance repairs, the list goes on and on. The world can't stop spinning for 4 weeks even though it sounds easy.

 

[inchy14]

Grooming gangs are known spreaders as well?

Yes, just not COVID-19

 

[inchy14]

But what happens once the lockdown restrictions are lifted after 2/3 weeks? Surely the cases would just start to rise rapidly again.

Not if it had been strictly enforced.

 

[kaz7]

Have you a link? As all the reports refer to the meeting on 21st.

Sage documents show how scientists felt sidelined by economic considerations

Timing of the release, just after the PM’s three-tier Covid plan, highlights experts’ disquiet

www.theguardian.com

You are right , i was assuming based on the timing today

 

[marco]

Blackpool Victoria IC now full

 

[kaz7]

I'm sure it would make some difference, but a 2 week lockdown won't do anything in the long run IMO. Why did Italy, Spain and France have to do a 'circuit breaker' for months. Where has this term suddenly come from 8 months into the pandemic and why didn't we just do this before if they work so well?

It is based on SAGE advice , things are excellerating fast and we are going into winter which is why it is suggested now, the public need a jolt , a refocus , to know winter could eclipse the first wave ,to break the cycle of transmission, piddling about at the edges is not going to work

 

[inchy14]

Will they deliver my naked wine order ?

I’d give everyone free booze to get them through it.... naked or not!!

 

[inchy14]

It sounds good but it's just not possible. Emergency services still need to operate, bin collectors, supermarkets, building work to be completed on people's houses, appliance repairs, the list goes on and on. The world can't stop spinning for 4 weeks even though it sounds easy.

Fuck building work, only supermarkets staff who are tested and kept apart. Basics only to be delivered, fuck me im sure we could survive on it for 2 weeks. No rent or mortgage payments to be taken, not gas electric or water to be paid for this month either.

If we want to we can get rid but it needs some serious thinking out of the box.

We carry on like are it’s going nowhere.

 

[artfuldodger]

It sounds good but it's just not possible. Emergency services still need to operate, bin collectors, supermarkets, building work to be completed on people's houses, appliance repairs, the list goes on and on. The world can't stop spinning for 4 weeks even though it sounds easy.

I agree. It sounds a great idea, but during that time people will become ill, babies will be born, people will die. Somewhere there will be domestic violence and the police called. Someones house will flood, or have a fire, or the roof will leak, or a window smash. The elderly will still need carers or nursing at home.

 

[inchy14]

It sounds good but it's just not possible. Emergency services still need to operate, bin collectors, supermarkets, building work to be completed on people's houses, appliance repairs, the list goes on and on. The world can't stop spinning for 4 weeks even though it sounds easy.

Why can’t it?

 

[kaz7]

To be fair Sky love to over play anything.

It is reporting ONS figures lol

 

[Healdplace]

Just a reminder on Pop Score before someon asks again.

The raw case numbers are one measure. The total cases over the whole pandemic another. But each place varies according to its population size according to how many live there. So 200 cases in Manchester is less in relarive terms to 200 in Bury as there is a big difference in people there to get infected. So the Pop Score measures cases v per 100,000 population to give a relative guide across different locations.

The tables the government create of the most impacted towns - like the one ( posted on page 6158 this afternoon - shows both the weekly cases and a number that is a version of the Pop score. So they know which places have added the most to the score and are doing better/worse v everywhere else.

Tht table on P 6158 is nt up to today and is for the whole UK.

If you check back to it you can compare with the GM table of 7 days cases and the 7 day Pop Score that I am going to post shortly. So you can see where each GM borough fares with the top ten worst in the UK.

 

[kaz7]

But what happens once the lockdown restrictions are lifted after 2/3 weeks? Surely the cases would just start to rise rapidly again.

We would have to have learnt fom the mistakes lifting the last one , it was handled so badly, remote learning needs to come back but keeping uni's open seems to be a red line

 

[inchy14]

I agree. It sounds a great idea, but during that time people will become ill, babies will be born, people will die. Somewhere there will be domestic violence and the police called. Someones house will flood, or have a fire, or the roof will leak, or a window smash. The elderly will still need carers or nursing at home.

Understand that but it’s either that or learning to live with it.

 

[Healdplace]

Ref the question about Wigan's rise which I cannot find again to quote (sorry) it was the lowest in GM throughout the pandemic up to August. When it was left out of the GM lockdown because of its tiny numbers. Then Bolton went gaga. And I suspect half of Bolton went boozing in Wigan as it was near enough and unrestricted.

Does not explain why it has stayed up there and is doing worse than Bolton now. But it has a lot of infected areas ringing it and like Rossendale (enclircled by out of control towns and for a tiny borpugh tipped off a cliff suddenly) I think Wigan was partly a victim of geography.

As are we all really in a pandemic.