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@Healdplace how are cases doing compared to 2 weeks ago when Boris made his "work from home" and implemented the curfew address? Sorry if you've answered this already I'm just not able to follow the whole thread.
I do post week to week comparisons every day for all the data for the nations. The three nations reported today so far are all posted over the last few pages. I post the v last 2 weeks data for several in recent days too.
 
We are now at a big tipping point. Denial and delay has already cost us.

There should be an emergency meeting of the whole UK today and instant decisions on rapid action (belated as they are).

Nicola Sturgeon just now is citing figures for Blackpool (Scottish people go there a lot) and advising people it is THE place where over past weeks that Scottish people have travelled before catching Covid.

Please do not go to Blackpool she says. Do not go in pubs there (or elsewhere) to watch the Rangers/Celtic match this weekend.

But, Blackpool - of course - was EXCLUDED by the government initially from the rest of Lancashire restrictions.

Go figure.

Go figure she blames an English resort and of course, the government.
 
Scousers were at it again last night with large crowds, no distancing and party atmosphere to “celebrate” the pubs closing.
Just watching that , with flooding the streets before and now it is no wonder tney are in trouble with covid , braindead , selfish and mainly young twats , aided by boris giving them another last few nights on the piss, does he never learn , i bet the scientists didnt want to do that, he needs to follow their advice as we are lurching into a complete winter diaster when the nhs strugg!es pre covid , makes me even more depressed
 
Go figure she blames an English resort and of course, the government.


She cited evidence of 180 cases tracked to coach trips organised to Blackpool for those wanting to get around the bar closures.

I used to work in Blackpool. There were many visitors from Scotland in illuminations season even pre Covid. It is a popular weekend destination from up there so I do not find it strange that some would have used the access to get around the inability to watch football in local pubs. Which is what she was saying.

Some on here have already pointed out people from Liverpool will be coming here to watch the derby if pubs are still open here.

Just as I have long pointed out cases in Wigan were driven off a cliff by the lack of lockdown there - exempted from GM restrictions for having low numbers- when the rest of GM was shut off.

This is why I favour a national two week closure not regional ones.

Far too easy to just get to somewhere not in your town;s lockdown. And we all know those who want to will.
 
I agree except the scientific community are as divided as the politicians and the public.

It's interesting that the hand picked SAGE scientists are not 100% behind Boris and the Government.

Perhaps we should have a binary referendum Do you want a three month lockdown YES or NO. We could do with another 51/49 split.
it is a myth there is a big divide between scientists , you have mostly cranks and non scientists signing letters etc that people take at face value

SAGE is made up of a wide range of scientist but also behaviorists that have to judge how much the public can cope with and of course cummings goes to them , as with all big groups of people it has to be majority decision that they have to go with
 
So the UK total deaths today are 97. Last week it was 59. Another significant rise unfortunately.

All settings last week was 70. The actual number currently registered for that date (6 Oct) is 61.
 
There were 10’s of thousands of people marching up and down the country while the pubs & bars were still shut

Police basically admitted they were powerless to stop them

I think it’s going to be a lot harder to stop young people gathering like that this time round, they know there’s unlikely to be any consequence to them legal or health wise

the lockdown fatigue Whitty and Valance mentioned last time round is 100% here now

compliance will tank
 
She cited evidence of 180 cases tracked to coach trips organised to Blackpool for those wanting to get around the bar closures.

I used to work in Blackpool. There were many visitors from Scotland in illuminations season even pre Covid. It is a popular weekend destination from up there so I do not find it strange that some would have used the access to get around the inability to watrch football in local pubs. Whuch is what she was saying.

Some on here have already pointed out peopke from Liverpool will be coming here to warch the derby if pubs are still open here.

Just as I have long pointed out cases in Wigan were driven off a cliff by the lack of lockdown here when the rest of GM was shut off.

This is why I favour a national two week clisure not this regional one. Far too easy to just get to somewhere not in the lockdown. And we all know those who want to will.

She should pull the game given the evidence before her because asking nicely isn't going to work.
 
Really frustrates me seeing the same people who advocate for lockdowns are people employed by the state so they won't lose their jobs or multi-millionaires who won't be affected financially.

The government have to weigh the pros and cons to a lock down.

Just my opinion of course but I think a lock down is a far worse prospect than no lockdown at all.

I am talking about peoples mental health and of course businesses who won't be able to ever recover.
 
Total cases for the three nations without England is a record 3592 versus 2834 last week and v 1453 the week before that.

A glimmer of hope for a plateauing effect as the increase is not as steep as it was.
 
There were 10’s of thousands of people marching up and down the country while the pubs & bars were still shut

Police basically admitted they were powerless to stop them

I think it’s going to be a lot harder to stop young people gathering like that this time round, they know there’s unlikely to be any consequence to them legal or health wise

the lockdown fatigue Whitty and Valance mentioned last time round is 100% here now

compliance will tank
Agreed - I suspect western governments are now listening more to what the behavioural scientists are saying rather than to what the epidemiologists are saying as this could enter a more dangerous phase in a few months with the clash between lives/economy/civil liberties are taken to the streets.
 
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Really frustrates me seeing the same people who advocate for lockdowns are people employed by the state so they won't lose their jobs or multi-millionaires who won't be affected financially.

The government have to weigh the pros and cons to a lock down.

Just my opinion of course but I think a lock down is a far worse prospect than no lockdown at all.

I am talking about peoples mental health and of course businesses who won't be able to ever recover.

Everyone that's retired or doesn't work wants a lock down. Most people that have to work and pay their rent, mortgage etc don't. People have their own reasons and bias that's not going to change.
 
I think everyone's pretty angry, scared and frustrated at the moment. People have concerns, for their family, friends and themselves. Aside from health risks, which absolutely is the most serious, we are also dealing with the biggest change to our way of life since the second World War. It's an ever changing situation that we're still all coming to terms with and that brings with it separate challenges to mental and physical well-being.

During the summer it felt like there was light at the end of the tunnel, but things have got a little darker again recently and it's really worrying now to think about what the winter might look like.

There have been severe failings in decision making and communication throughout the pandemic. Which now leads people to question all the decisions being made. When you hear that the SAGE advice for a circuit break lockdown was ignored after everything else we've been through, its pretty hard not to worry about the decisions the government are making on our behalf.

I suspect the truth is that if things have got this bad this quickly, they are reluctant to bring in the strongest possible measures until its very much a last resort, not as a preemptive measure and that's the balance they talk about with the economy and other factors (just my take on it).

There's anger and frustration everywhere at the moment; with the situation, with the government and with each other. It's shit no matter which way you look at it. Everyone just wants to get through this and get back to some semblance of normality, even with social distancing and necessary safety measures.

I think the most depressing thing for an awful lot of people is that they have no faith in anything the government are doing, or have done pretty much throughout the pandemic. As much as I dislike Boris Johnson, no one would be happier than me to be able to turn round and say I doubted him before, but he's more than proven me wrong etc. Instead he's actually been more useless than even I would have thought, its not just him though, its the whole lightweight cabinet, serco track and trace and the billions of pounds of dodgy contracts handed out to tory contact etc. A cluster fuck of epic proportions throughout.

I would love to be positive, but the way the numbers are going and the way things have been handled so far just don't suggest things are getting any better. I sincerely hope the new tier system works and we start to see improvements in the next few weeks.

As ever a big thanks to @Healdplace @ayrshire_blue and the others that put so much time in to this thread and for all the information they provide on a daily basis. It isn't always pleasant reading, but it does help give an indication of how we're doing and where we might be headed. I just hope the numbers start to go back down and there's positive news on a vaccine soon.
 
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