COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BigJoe#1]

No matter how many times you say that it will never be true

The thing is Kaz, either way, Lockdown or no Lockdown, the vulnerable people that need shielding and looking after will do so either way.

The question is, how can we make this virus disappear quicker.

The fact that many elderly and vulnerable people want everyone locked up just because they have to be does not carry a lot of weight.

Accepting we are where we are; everybody needs to think of the bigger picture and the greater good as opposed to the "how am I affected" viewpoint.

Apologies this may seem a bit tough but sadly this is how this needs to be looked at now.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

'I have got things wrong in this pandemic. We all have.' Nicola adds. 'I would trade away all my approval ratings to get rid of Covid. Nothing else matters right now to me than taking the hard decisions I have to take. The more we can talk across the four nations the more clarity we bring to the message, she argues.

I'm no wee Jimmy fan but I'm sure we'd be in a better place in England if she was sat in BJ's seat calling the shots

 

[willipp]

Maybe, just maybe, people are scared, tired, fed up, broke financially and mentally and worn down due to people they know and love dying, people they know and love being made redundant and the fact that there is absolutely no signs of this ending any time soon. Maybe it's that? Chin up though! Smile for the sake of it! Be happy with what we've got.

I think the last part of what you said is very true in that there is no sign to this ending. We got through lockdown previously as it was summer and warm, quite peaceful for many and we all felt that following the rules would see a move slowly back to normality. We are now fast heading back to an even worse position than where we were and there is no real sign of an effective vaccine anytime soon it seems and with jobs and the economy things look very bleak for us all, especially in the north west. Life is pretty shit at the moment for so many people and even though i don't have anyone close to me dead from this, it really is starting to weigh heavy on my shoulders.

 

[Bluesince1979]

No matter how many times you say that it will never be true

As ive said, we all have opinions and thoughts. Thats what forums are all about.

im in and out of peoples houses all day and by a country mile the worse for not socially distancing , wearing masks or taking any precautions are older, dare i say, more vulnerable, customers.
I actually took a photo the other day of one who wanted to do a crossword a yard from where i was working to show the mrs.

so maybe if the ‘vulnerable’ shielded better we could all live with this shit show a bit better

 

[artfuldodger]

Covid: Wales to ban people coming from UK hotspots

People from areas with high coronavirus rates will be banned from travelling to Wales from Friday.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Oldest trick in the world - show a few dickheads partying in Liverpool and then use it as a propaganda weapon to turn people against one another and deflect peoples anger from the Government.
Evidence? - see some of the above posts.
Divide and rule it's called.

Doesn't matter if it's 200 being dicks or 10...a dick is a dick.

I do take your broader point on board tho.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

My guess is that they have been told the pubs near them are closing and are having one last blow out.

This could have been avoided if the measures had come into place immediately, rather than giving a few days notice.

same will happen in manchester when it happens to us

 

[wolfie1988]

Soon hopefully but only if we handle coming out of it better, no reasonthose who worked at home ok in the summer ca t continue and shut down uni's till jan

If informal childcare is still allowed, I'd be all for it but it won't work as this giovernment is a shit show from start to finish. They've had 8 months to get their shit in order and haven't.

It won't just be 2 weeks, it will go on and on and the economy will be gone and the country left in tatters for years.

There are too many jobs that cannot be done from home. Factory workers, all manufacturing, fire service, police, ambulance and health sector. These roles take up a significant amount of the jobs that people in this country have. The virus will still have plenty of chance to spread through these workers.

I don't know what the answer is but I think the 'circuit breaker' is just us going around in circles once more.

 

[kaz7]

The thing is Kaz, either way, Lockdown or no Lockdown, the vulnerable people that need shielding and looking after will do so either way.

The question is, how can we make this virus disappear quicker.

The fact that many elderly and vulnerable people want everyone locked up just because they have to be does not carry a lot of weight.

Accepting we are where we are; everybody needs to think of the bigger picture and the greater good as opposed to the "how am I affected" viewpoint.

Apologies this may seem a bit tough but sadly this is how this needs to be looked at now.

The vulnerable make up half of the nhs and public services as i have said before , they are still going to work , they want in return the public to be given stricter rules , locking down the vulnerable is a pointless statement , it means nothing

It has been hinted in my direction twice now that i want lockdown because i have to , that is insulting as i have repeatedly said i on!y care that nobody gets it and suffers like i have , it is concern and no other reason

 

[city saint]

Covid: Wales to ban people coming from UK hotspots

People from areas with high coronavirus rates will be banned from travelling to Wales from Friday.

www.bbc.co.uk

does this mean for work purposes as well or just social settings it dosnt really say in the article

 

[UUJblue]

Sadly Northern Ireland completes the set of pretty awful numbers today.

Deaths 4 (v 1 last week)

Cases 1217 (v 828 last week) (new record)

At 5% positive (v 5% last week)

Seven day rolling cases 6693 (v 4417 last week)

14% of the number are over 60. And 60% under 40

Hospital patients 164 (up 14 v yesterday) (v 106 last week)

Ventilated patients 17 (2 up v yesterday) (v 11 last week)

Its probably been spoke to in here before but yes this is the sad reality of these numbers in NI. It has really escalated within the last 4 weeks and noone can really pinpoint the exact cause of these spikes.

I live in Belfast and here fingers have been pointed at sport, hospitality, residential settings and schools - tbh all are to blame a bit.

We now enter Lockdown 2.0/ circuit breaker from 6pm on friday with schools shut 2 weeks, beauty and hair closed 1 month and hospitality 1 month - except takeaway.

Our hospitals are sadly reaching critical stages with our nightingale hospital due to open soon. We are nearly at peak ICU Capacity.

I think NI has been treated as a case study to see if we can confine, contain and reduce these numbers within a popular of 2million.

Wales, Scotland, North West will likely all follow suit in the coming weeks.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

same will happen in manchester when it happens to us

Of course it will and everywhere else that shuts pubs.

The communication from the government isn't consistent and people have stopped listening and are doing their own thing.

If the government doesn’t follow their own rules, why should anyone else?

We’re totally at the mercy of the people and sadly our dickhead ratio is too high to reduce the R number.

 

[ganganvince]

does this mean for work purposes as well or just social settings it dosnt really say in the article

Their health spokesman said work, education and health emergencies would be exempt.

 

[kaz7]

If informal childcare is still allowed, I'd be all for it but it won't work as this giovernment is a shit show from start to finish. They've had 8 months to get their shit in order and haven't.

It won't just be 2 weeks, it will go on and on and the economy will be gone and the country left in tatters for years.

There are too many jobs that cannot be done from home. Factory workers, all manufacturing, fire service, police, ambulance and health sector. These roles take up a significant amount of the jobs that people in this country have. The virus will still have plenty of chance to spread through these workers.

I don't know what the answer is but I think the 'circuit breaker' is just us going around in circles once more.

I dont disagree with everything you say , i would say we have to stop being close to each other , the virus needs us together , those that can work from home should continue, that a least cuts down the viruses options , the other workers will have to continue and protect themselves best as they can .The uni's are superspreader places, makes sense to stop that before they give it to everyone else . The key is reducing the pressure by a short lockdown and get testing up to date , if we dont sort out the testing then no measures will work

 

[Phil1]

The pub situation and lack of live music is hard to wrap my head around. I’m currently sat in a bar who’s celebrating their birthday and there’s about 200 people enjoying a full day of acts, singing and having a great time.
We aren’t allowed to dance though...

 

[Healdplace]

Of 1429 cases in scotland

145 are in those aged 65+
12 of whom are aged 85+

85 are aged under 15
Including 33 whom are aged under 5

342 aged 15-24

857 aged 25-64

11% a little down today but still higher than a week or two back. N Ireland was up today too and is starting to see deaths now on a level it has not had since April/May. This cross border creep of the testing positive numbers is the real reason deaths are rising.

And whatever else we do now we are 3 weeks away from stopping the trend goingin whatever direction is will now as that is the gap from infection to death.

What baffles me the most amidst all the indecision is the weird message coming out that all those who shielded in the early months no longer need to bother now.

When the vulnerability of those people seems to be the one thing all scientists agree upon and the very obviouas reason thousands of cases are turning into dozens of deaths. Because the vulnerable are relaxing theiur contact with those catching it in the thousands every week - most of whom will not get near hospitals,

This almost seems guaranteed to force a lockdown when if that was really what they wish to avoid the vdery obvious message has to be targetted at the very people being ignored.

I have seen how it has seeped through to those older than me that I know. They think that they have been given the all clear.

Would that this were true. But they should be asking themselves - if so - why will I be the first to get the vaccine ahead of all but front line hospital workers?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I suspect the truth is that if things have got this bad this quickly, they are reluctant to bring in the strongest possible measures until its very much a last resort, not as a preemptive measure

You may well be right.

Unfortunately though, the very clear lesson from the first wave, and a fundamental implication of exponential growth, is that the more you delay, the harder and longer duration of measures you will need.

This lesson has not been learned, we have weak leaders in denial over the issue we face.

 

[kaz7]

According to a paper by two of the government's leading scientific advisers, a "short, sharp" two-week lockdown over the October half-term could prevent more than 7,000 deaths.

Coronavirus: Boris Johnson tells MPs 'I rule out nothing' - but wants to 'avoid misery' of second lockdown

The PM defends his three-tier system of local restrictions during a tempestuous PMQs clash with Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer.

news.sky.com

Going into lockdown earlier before could have saved thousands of lives , the gov did not learn from that to do it when advised , this will cost thousands more , he needs to stop saying he follows the science

 

[Healdplace]

Todays 68 England hospital deaths were aged between 48 and 98 - and four of them - aged 65 to 93 - had no known prior health conditions.

The numbers with that caveat and the numbers under 60 have been notably rising over the past week or so.

Though inevitable given the sharp rise in total deaths.

 

[Scottyboi]

Lockdown is pointless if you don't use it as a chance to implement a proper functioning track and trace system, we sacrificed our economy and gave ourselves plenty of time to get it right and blew it. When Oldham and Leicester had cases still they should have gone authoritarian and stopped people leaving.

We do another lockdown lose more jobs save lives and after a couple of months end up back in the same position as we fail with our track and trace.

Government should be dragged through the streets for spunking so much money and not getting a grip of the nation. Sending out some dandruff ridden scruffy **** to tell you new rules is a waste of time. Who takes that mug seriously?