COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[bluethrunthru]

Quality effort

Coronavirus testing lab 'chaotic and dangerous', scientist claims

One experienced virologist raises concerns about safety protocols and a lack of training.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[bluethrunthru]

Some of my bloody neighbours have ignored all regulations so far, are they going to suddenly change?

Multiply that all around the country and the Government are pissing against the wind.

Who is going to enforce any regulations, the police do not have the manpower.

The tens of thousands of Covid Marshals Johnson has recruited.........hang on.......

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Over 30k new cases in France.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

The tens of thousands of Covid Marshals Johnson has recruited.........hang on.......

Tell me more about these people. Who are they?

 

[cleavers]

Just for some perspective of how bad the UK is doing.

Around Europe, Germany, Italy, France, Belgium, Holland, Poland, Portugal, and Austria, have all had their worst days for new cases in this Pandemic, and Switzerland and Ireland their 2nd highest.

Obviously the caveat is the number of tests being done, and I don't know how to find that out, or their hospitalisation rates, but the deaths are also back on the increase in them all.

 

[Manc in London]

Burnham is bang on.
These Westminster twats want to treat the north like a Guinea pig whilst looking after there own country, London.
Steadfastly refuse to do anything them arse holes ask us to do anymore.
Postcode lottery with London being given preferential treatment. Fuck that.

In what way has London had preferential treatment? Has London not had less positive cases and deaths, per capita, than the northern regions for around three months? Maybe we have been looking at very different stats.

I can only assume you are not referring to the Govt's slow response to lockdown as many positive cases and deaths occurred in London early in the year? Not sure about you but I would think most of those who died would have preferred to have stayed alive than been in Tier 2.

 

[Ancoats blue]

Tell me more about these people. Who are they?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjq8bjO2LfsAhXTiFwKHSdoCs8QFjAEegQIBRAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2F1333894%2Fcovid-marshals-job-covid-secure-marshals-how-to-get-a-job-covid-marshal&usg=AOvVaw3f_HBMHzLDEgkKIOYU10Xv

 

[Manc in London]

Regional hospital data:

London patients up 397 to 404 (wk ago 323) Ventilators up 77 to 78 (wk ago 51)

Midlands patients up 685 to 758 (wk ago 489) Ventilators down 96 - 91 (wk ago 78)

North East/Yorks patients up 1059 - 1114 (wk ago 813) Ventilators up 116 - 118 (wk ago 92)

But North West - fewer patients added but worst ventilator numbers in a week

patients up 1501 to 1542 (wk ago 1098) (20 May last time it was this high)

Ventilators up 135 to 149 (wk ago 122) 15 May last time it was this high.

Do people look at these figs and still question why London has not had as severe restrictions as some other other areas? London figs have been comparatively lower than most other city regions since early summer.

Should be noted that positive cases have stablised in the last few days in London.

Not a surprise there is a spike with all the students in London. Just one university (UoL) has 120k students.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Tell me more about these people. Who are they?

The invisible people

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Do people look at these figs and still question why London has not had as severe restrictions as some other other areas? London figs have been comparatively lower than most other city regions since early summer.

Should be noted that positive cases have stablised in the last few days in London.

Not a surprise there is a spike with all the students in London. Just one university (UoL) has 120k students.

Could be absolutely miles off with this, and don't want to be seen as peddling utter bullshit, but interesting to see the figures from London and New York which both had an awful first wave. Could the herd immunity threshold be much lower than the 65% or so anticipated or could the seroprevalence rate be much higher than the 10% or so estimated? As I say, only speculating and could be miles off.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Tell me more about these people. Who are they?

They're everywhere, apparently. Like those ubiquitous Cadbury's smash aliens driving round in TV detector vans; )

 

[Manc in London]

Could be absolutely miles off with this, and don't want to be seen as peddling utter bullshit, but interesting to see the figures from London and New York which both had an awful first wave. Could the herd immunity threshold be much lower than the 65% or so anticipated or could the seroprevalence rate be much higher than the 10% or so estimated? As I say, only speculating and could be miles off.

There is no issue with speculating. No-one knows. The deaths peaked in London on 7/8 April. Working back, the peak of positives would have been mid-March. It certainly would have took a while to get that peak in cases. When you think of the millions of tube journeys, packed out city bars, cafes etc., high population density, and the million plus who live in HMOs, many people would surely have had it.

However, we have some semblance of a lockdown and many people wfh but cases have risen recently. Thus, herd immunity is very unlikely but it could well be that immunity levels are higher down here, than elsewhere in the UK, due to the number who caught it early on.

I live in a London borough of 390k people, yet we have had just 3 or 4 deaths (from info a few days old) since 1 July. Deaths in London have peaked at 6 since early summer/late spring. That's out of a population of 9m.

Caveat: I am not underpaying the disease. I just think further restrictions in London are unwarranted and that it is not 'unfair' that we have had less restrictions than Manchester, Liverpool etc..

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Could be absolutely miles off with this, and don't want to be seen as peddling utter bullshit, but interesting to see the figures from London and New York which both had an awful first wave. Could the herd immunity threshold be much lower than the 65% or so anticipated or could the seroprevalence rate be much higher than the 10% or so estimated? As I say, only speculating and could be miles off.

It could be that as much as it could be that the temperatures are higher down south.

I guess we’ll find out in the upcoming weeks.

 

[cleavers]

Could be absolutely miles off with this, and don't want to be seen as peddling utter bullshit, but interesting to see the figures from London and New York which both had an awful first wave. Could the herd immunity threshold be much lower than the 65% or so anticipated or could the seroprevalence rate be much higher than the 10% or so estimated? As I say, only speculating and could be miles off.

I think it's much simpler in London (and southeast), less people were getting together indoors in September due to the better weather, but cases have risen since it turned worse, so more indoor interaction now, there maybe a knock on from the higher cases in March and April, but I doubt it's huge.

There is clearly enough concern in London and some of the southeast to move them up to tier 2 today.

 

[Manc in London]

It could be that as much as it could be that the temperatures are higher down south.

I guess we’ll find out in the upcoming weeks.

Had frosted windows on the car this week lol Heating on every day for the last two weeks.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Yep, all fair enough points. Was just thinking out loud I suppose, seemed a bit of a punt and the climate situation makes sense.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

 

[cleavers]

Caveat: I am not underpaying the disease. I just think further restrictions in London are unwarranted

Not if you look at hospitalisations, and that was what should have been being monitored elsewhere, and wasn't by the government.

 

[Marvin]

UK Vaccine plans emerging. 50/50 for December.

NHS Pulse

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Scandalous