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loffers said:
tell me of her incompetence? please, explain why she has been returned for 20 years and you are just a bedwetter
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That's why during the election build up she was kept out of public view as she was seen as a liability. Constantly not aware of her facts during interviews. Glad you consider her a good MP. Is she yours? If not how do you know?
 
Ric said:
Tidied this up now, but keep the political arguments to the other thread please.
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what other thread? lol - I showed great restraint there Ric!

many way back to the covid. If we go into tier 3 how long is for as a minimum?
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Burnham is an absolute disgrace, playing politics with Boris.

My surgeon mate at the Royal says they are already creaking and are gonna need to rely on Nightingale very quickly indeed.

They literally have people now walking in off Hathersage Road coughing their guts up :(

This can't be about squeezing an extra percentage out for furlough, it's gone beyond this, both in terms of the money the government even have left, and the real doomsday scenario this region is now facing.
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Yet we didn’t need them at all in March or April... go figure.
 
inchy14 said:
Yet we didn’t need them at all in March or April... go figure.
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I think it has been up here in less quantum than in London when we shut down. Half of my site were coughing in mid March having said that! Who knows?
 
worsleyweb said:
I think it has been up here in less quantum than in London when we shut down. Half of my site were coughing in mid March having said that! Who knows?
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Yet in March we had thousands dying everyday and still never used the nightingale hospitals.... why would we now when it’s in the 100’s a day and we can treat it better.
 
The numbers of people testing postitive for Covid are meaningless in isolation. We know for a fact that anyone under 70 years old who has no comorbiditites is in less danger from Covid than the average flu. Not an opinion, a statistical fact. To make covid figures meaningful they should be broken into two catagories.
1. The under 70's with no comorbidities - extremely low risk of death and of little consequence
2. The over 70's and people with comorbidities - extremely high risk and of high consequence.

The blunt instrument of total numbers tells us nothing.
 
I'm not sure where your numbers are coming from, but you are quoting case numbers, and that is not what I was discussing, and a single day of cases on its own means bugger all, but I would say they are around the same over the last week not falling overall, just variable, at 1526, 1566, 1387, 906(w), 781(w), 1513, 1158 (13th last full day), (w = less reliable weekend number, usually creating a spike on a Tuesday). These are from the government website.

However, and what I was talking about and have made clear previously, NEW hospitalisations are in the main rising.
The last 7 days in the London region are, 39, 55, 51(w), 50(w), 69, 73, 76, so nearly double 1 week ago on the 14th, the latest date available.

Patients in London hospitals for the last 7 days (up to today) are 314, 338, 361, 373, 397, 404, 457, a 7 day rise of nearly 50%, and under ventilation, 52, 57, 65, 67, 77, 78, 80 (up to today), again a 7 day rise of over 50%.
 
cleavers said:
I'm not sure where your numbers are coming from, but you are quoting case numbers, and that is not what I was discussing, and a single day of cases on its own means bugger all, but I would say they are around the same over the last week not falling overall, just variable, at 1526, 1566, 1387, 906(w), 781(w), 1513, 1158 (13th last full day), (w = less reliable weekend number, usually creating a spike on a Tuesday). These are from the government website.

However, and what I was talking about and have made clear previously, NEW hospitalisations are in the main rising.
The last 7 days in the London region are, 39, 55, 51(w), 50(w), 69, 73, 76, so more than double 1 week ago on the 14th, the latest date available.

Patients in London hospitals for the last 7 days (up to today) are 314, 338, 361, 373, 397, 404, 457, a 7 day rise of nearly 50%, and under ventilation, 52, 57, 65, 67, 77, 78, 80 (up to today), again a 7 day rise of over 50%.
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The figures were provided by someone else else, presumably NHS England. I believe they are following a pattern that I have stated twice already.

I don't think it wise to express differences by percentages when you are talking about an increase in 28 people from a population of 9m. That's a misinterpretation of the data and doesn't have much with those of us who have the intelligence to see through it.

We have 9,000,000 people in London. Nine million. Per capita, how do the figures compare to those areas being upset about being in tier 2 and 3?

If London fits into tier 2, it would be proportionate for the North to be in full lockdown, including schools closed and only essential travel.
 
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Manc in London said:
The figures were provided by someone else else, presumably NHS England. I believe they are following a pattern that I have states twice already.
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Those numbers on hospitalisation, and ventilators are rising as I said, case numbers which I wasn't discussing are flat.

Argue all you want, I'm done, I've given you the numbers.

Also I don't run London Khan does, why he put London into tier 2 I don't know, suggest you ask him, but expect him to show you that hospitalisation and ventilators are rising.

Had Greater Manchester done something stronger 3 or 4 weeks ago when these key numbers started rising there is for Burnham to answer, @Healdplace noted it then, why weren't politicians looking at them ? They always predate death figures.
 
inchy14 said:
Yet in March we had thousands dying everyday and still never used the nightingale hospitals.... why would we now when it’s in the 100’s a day and we can treat it better.
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Fuck knows how we're going to cope with the various cancer increases if we're fretting over these numbers.
 
cleavers said:
Those numbers on hospitalisation, and ventilators are rising as I said, case numbers which I wasn't discussing are flat.

Argue all you want, I'm done, I've given you the numbers.

Also I don't run London Khan does, why he put London into tier 2 I don't know, suggest you ask him, but expect him to show you that hospitalisation and ventilators are rising.

Had Greater Manchester done something stronger 3 or 4 weeks ago when these key numbers started rising there is for Burnham to answer, @Healdplace noted it then, why weren't politicians looking at them ? They always predate death figures.
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Not sure what Khan's game is but he is a politician. I would think it relates to funding.

We have basically got around an average of just above 1 person on ventilation in each hospital.

Granted, decisions should be made that are proactive rather than reactive but if you were to use the current situation in London as a benchmark, then the Northern regions should be in tier 3, without question and should not have come out of tier 3 since 23 March.
 
Dont know about you lot, but i'm still following the rules from the first lockdown.
Work from home if you can.
Essential travel only
No mixing with other people unless essential.
Wash hands. Sanitise.
I wore a mask from day 1 while shopping.
I'm not claiming to be an expert here, but its not rocket science is it?
Ffs and if I hear one more moron going on about mental health, and moaning that the gym isnt open I swear to god they'll get it. There was no fucking gyms 30 years ago you twat.
Work was all the fitness you needed. You're sat behind a desk all day eating greggs, that isnt work. Get a grip.
The virus spreads from people to people, stay away from people. People are fucking idiots
 
Manc in London said:
Not sure what Khan's game is but he is a politician. I would think it relates to funding.

We have basically got around an average of just above 1 person on ventilation in each hospital.

Granted, decisions should be made that are proactive rather than reactive but if you were to use the current situation in London as a benchmark, then the Northern regions should be in tier 3, without question and should not have come out of tier 3 since 23 March.
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And given the numbers being made up tonight, should stay in tier 3 until 2025!!
 
Tiers are just total bollocks confusing shite. We are one island and we all act as one, end of. Simple
 
crublue1 said:
Dont know about you lot, but i'm still following the rules from the first lockdown.
Work from home if you can.
Essential travel only
No mixing with other people unless essential.
Wash hands. Sanitise.
I wore a mask from day 1 while shopping.
I'm not claiming to be an expert here, but its not rocket science is it?
Ffs and if I hear one more moron going on about mental health, and moaning that the gym isnt open I swear to god they'll get it. There was no fucking gyms 30 years ago you twat.
Work was all the fitness you needed. You're sat behind a desk all day eating greggs, that isnt work. Get a grip.
The virus spreads from people to people, stay away from people. People are fucking idiots
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There were no gyms in 1990?
 
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